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Old January 13 2009, 02:47 PM   #211
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Re: USS Aventine

calamity_si: were your sketches inspired by the White Star ship from Babylon 5? Looks very similar IMO..

..liked that design alot (I also liked the "final" design of the Aventine that was posted on www.trekmovie.com)
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Old January 13 2009, 09:50 PM   #212
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yeah, that's a USS White Star. BLEH!
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Old January 14 2009, 12:19 AM   #213
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It's not bad, but I prefer the official design myself.
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Old January 14 2009, 09:59 AM   #214
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captcalhoun wrote: View Post
yeah, that's a USS White Star. BLEH!
Yeah GOOD one fellas! Next time I fancy receiving a smack-down on my work, I know where to post it now. Thanks.
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Old January 14 2009, 10:31 AM   #215
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calamity_si wrote: View Post
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yeah, that's a USS White Star. BLEH!
Yeah GOOD one fellas! Next time I fancy receiving a smack-down on my work, I know where to post it now. Thanks.
If you're looking to be jacked off, you'll have to do that on your own. That said, I thought the ship looked kinda cool. Seemed a little too fat in the second image, but not too bad.
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Old January 14 2009, 11:31 AM   #216
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sorry, but i never liked the White Star design and I never liked B5 and anything that looks like a B5 White Star design in Trek ain't gonna fly in my universe.

plus, that's a fugly design and i've seen some fugly designs...
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Old January 14 2009, 11:34 AM   #217
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yeah, that's a USS White Star. BLEH!
Yeah GOOD one fellas! Next time I fancy receiving a smack-down on my work, I know where to post it now. Thanks.
If you're looking to be jacked off, you'll have to do that on your own. That said, I thought the ship looked kinda cool. Seemed a little too fat in the second image, but not too bad.
If I were to rise to that first comment u made I could see this conversation degenerating quite quickly so in the interest of keeping the peace, I'll just say a polite 'thank you' and leave it at that.
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Old January 14 2009, 01:52 PM   #218
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Thought some of u might like to know that Mark Rademaker has done a small update of the Aventine on his blog site.
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Old January 14 2009, 05:30 PM   #219
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I don't know if that was directed at me too, but if it was I'm sorry, I'm not gonna say I like something I don't.
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Old January 14 2009, 06:25 PM   #220
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Not to worry I'm sure plenty of other people feel the same. Win some / lose some I guess... Anyways Mark's update can be found here. http://mark-rademaker.blogspot.com/2...ll-update.html

I'm sure you'll all have plenty of nice stuff to say about his design so feel free to drop him a comment, I'm sure he'd appreciate the feedback.
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Old January 14 2009, 09:06 PM   #221
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calamity_si wrote: View Post
Not to worry I'm sure plenty of other people feel the same. Win some / lose some I guess... Anyways Mark's update can be found here. http://mark-rademaker.blogspot.com/2...ll-update.html

I'm sure you'll all have plenty of nice stuff to say about his design so feel free to drop him a comment, I'm sure he'd appreciate the feedback.
Take it from me you can't please everyone when it comes to designing a starship. I kinda like your design myself. Keep at it maybe as a different class of starship.
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Old January 14 2009, 09:17 PM   #222
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You know, folks, there's a difference between saying, "I don't like the design" or "I don't like the design because X" and saying, "UGH! It's UGLY! It's terrible! Blah blah blah." One is a perfectly reasonable reaction, and one tends to come across like an attack upon the artist.
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Old January 14 2009, 09:43 PM   #223
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You know, folks, there's a difference between saying, "I don't like the design" or "I don't like the design because X" and saying, "UGH! It's UGLY! It's terrible! Blah blah blah." One is a perfectly reasonable reaction, and one tends to come across like an attack upon the artist.
I agree. But some folks here need a reminding from titme to time on how
to crit a fellows work.
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Old January 14 2009, 10:09 PM   #224
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hey, i never criticised the artist, only the art. it's not like i said he smelt of wee and his mom left her knickers at my house.
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Old January 14 2009, 10:16 PM   #225
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hey, i never criticised the artist, only the art. it's not like i said he smelt of wee and his mom left her knickers at my house.
See, here's the thing. If you had said, "I don't like it because I feel that it looks too much like the White Star from Babylon 5," that would have been a perfectly appropriate critique.

Instead, you went:

yeah, that's a USS White Star. BLEH!
Your wording implied that the creator made no substantive effort at originality -- notice how you say it is the White Star rather than saying it is too similar to the White Star for your tastes. And then you engage in a very rude display of contempt for the artist's efforts by going, "BLEH!" At no point in your critique did you word anything in such a way as to acknowledge that yours is a subjective opinion; you worded your criticism as one would an objective rather than subjective evaluation.

In my opinion, it was an incredibly immature and disrespectful criticism.
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