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Old September 30 2008, 06:27 AM   #46
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Re: Rob Liefeld...

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I get a kick out of those anti Liefield websites, the only thing good he did was create Deadpool.
From the new Deadpool:
http://www.murkworks.net/%7Ejames/Co.../deadpool2.jpg


(I converted this to a link. 600+ MB is a little large to be posting inline. Thanks. - Spiff)
Wow, clearly Jason Giambi and Barry Bonds aren't the only ones suffering from steroid withdrawal!
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Old September 30 2008, 04:03 PM   #47
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Re: Rob Liefeld...

Well, in Rob's defense, he obviously never relied on over-referencing photos!

The problem with Liefeld's art, in my non-artist view, is that he learned to draw from comics. Comics are fine as a starting point but eventually you need to go off and learn perspective and anatomy and how to draw real life stuff. You need to be able to draw "properly" before you layer in the stylization. Look at Jack Kirby, his perspective and anatomy were often crazy as hell but it wasn't because he didn't know better, it was because he made a conscious effort to tweak things for the sake of style and power in the image. And also because he was drawing ten pages a day.
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Old September 30 2008, 08:59 PM   #48
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Well, in Rob's defense, he obviously never relied on over-referencing photos!

The problem with Liefeld's art, in my non-artist view, is that he learned to draw from comics. Comics are fine as a starting point but eventually you need to go off and learn perspective and anatomy and how to draw real life stuff. You need to be able to draw "properly" before you layer in the stylization. Look at Jack Kirby, his perspective and anatomy were often crazy as hell but it wasn't because he didn't know better, it was because he made a conscious effort to tweak things for the sake of style and power in the image. And also because he was drawing ten pages a day.
My artist's view coincides completely with your non-artist's view. Excellent observation.
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Old September 30 2008, 09:08 PM   #49
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A beaker full of death wrote: View Post
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Well, in Rob's defense, he obviously never relied on over-referencing photos!

The problem with Liefeld's art, in my non-artist view, is that he learned to draw from comics. Comics are fine as a starting point but eventually you need to go off and learn perspective and anatomy and how to draw real life stuff. You need to be able to draw "properly" before you layer in the stylization. Look at Jack Kirby, his perspective and anatomy were often crazy as hell but it wasn't because he didn't know better, it was because he made a conscious effort to tweak things for the sake of style and power in the image. And also because he was drawing ten pages a day.
My artist's view coincides completely with your non-artist's view. Excellent observation.
I completely agree with both your observations.

Plus, I agree Beaker. The ability to be untrained and not know how to draw properly is not a style. What makes Liefield even worse was he made the far more talented artists that worked for him copy his way of drawing completely.

What an arrogant ass!
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Old October 1 2008, 02:28 AM   #50
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Was it Herb Trimpe, a solid albeit unspectacular artist from the early to middle Marvel days, that ended up aping Liefeld's "style" just to get work in the 90's?
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Old October 1 2008, 03:15 AM   #51
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^Not possible. Trimpe is a skilled artist, and probably the definitive Hulk artist. Liefeld doesn't have a style, he just imitates (without understanding) artists like Trimpe.
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Old October 1 2008, 08:24 AM   #52
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I wish IDW would hire some better artists. I tried reading Megatron's origins again and my head exploded...
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Old October 1 2008, 12:34 PM   #53
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I wish IDW would hire some better artists. I tried reading Megatron's origins again and my head exploded...
Most of IDW's art is pretty good. I didn't like it at first, but its definitely grown on me. You're right about Megatron Origins though, the art is awful, but luckily the story is pretty crap too, so it can simply be discarded.
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Old October 1 2008, 08:09 PM   #54
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A beaker full of death wrote: View Post
^Not possible. Trimpe is a skilled artist, and probably the definitive Hulk artist. Liefeld doesn't have a style, he just imitates (without understanding) artists like Trimpe.
Sadly, it's true. Though Trimpe's dumbing down of his own art is at least not quite so anatomically absurd.
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Old October 2 2008, 12:07 AM   #55
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I forgot, what was the name of that other artist that was often compared to Leifield? The one who died of cancer recently.
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Old October 2 2008, 01:12 AM   #56
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A beaker full of death wrote: View Post
Does Liefeld's popularity in the 80s and 90s show how bad comic art was in general? In some ways I think comic art is so much better these days, with more depth, colour and detail.

Balls.
Liefeld couldn't have gotten a job in comics until the '90s. He'd have been laughed right out of the bullpen.


I don't think he would've had a chance in the first half of the 1980s, and some people say Liefeld prospered because most comic book art was getting so stagnant and bland, even his ridiculous drawings got a lot of undeserved attention. A comic book artist from the 1980s that I personally like is David Gibbons...

If a artist who knew how to draw people, he would draw a man with a gun like this and not like this. And what's worse the vastly superior David Gibbons had unofficial artistic qualifications as well.
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Old October 2 2008, 02:04 AM   #57
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I forgot, what was the name of that other artist that was often compared to Leifield? The one who died of cancer recently.
Michael Turner. Nowhere near as bad as Liefeld, but yeah, pretty bad.
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Old October 2 2008, 03:51 AM   #58
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Re: Rob Liefeld...

Michael Turner (one more to the disconcertingly growing number of celebs who've died suddenly this year) doesn't seem to be as terrible as Liefeld: looking at his work nothing seems to leap up at me as Jesus-titty-fucking-Christ awful, but it doesn't seem amazing either, so I'd say he is the best among the hacks.
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Old October 2 2008, 11:14 AM   #59
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Turner never drew anything near as horrific as Liefeld's worst, and he did have a style - an unpopular one in some circles, but a style none-the-less. Yes, he made very square squinty faces with zombie eyes and extreme! proportions, but he didn't ever put 150 teeth into someone's mouth.
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Old October 2 2008, 06:57 PM   #60
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Re: Rob Liefeld...

funny thing is I thought his art pretty good (he did a lot of strikingly detailed covers) until other people online started pointing out all the mistakes & then I was like "ooh, now I see." I think the detailed computer coloring that was used in the 90's/current times helped to hide a lot of the flaws these artist made.
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