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Old July 22 2014, 07:07 PM   #1
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Spock ponfarred Saavik but she cant have been impregnated

It occurred to me just now, after all these years

Saavik can't have been impregnated by Spock because as we all know he's a hybrid therefore sterile.

(Or, as McCoy would put it, cross bred green blooded pointy eared hobgoblin)

Considering the near-canon hypothesis she also is hybrid then there's definitely no chance.

Whew, I'm so much relieved.
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Old July 22 2014, 07:10 PM   #2
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Re: Spock ponfarred Saavik but she cant have been impregnated

Then explain Worf and K'Ehleyr's Alexander, who is a quarter human.
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Old July 22 2014, 07:24 PM   #3
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Re: Spock ponfarred Saavik but she cant have been impregnated

Spock's a Vulcan, not a mule.
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Old July 22 2014, 07:33 PM   #4
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Re: Spock ponfarred Saavik but she cant have been impregnated

I don't know why there would ever need to be an unplanned pregnancy.

Don't they have advanced birth control in the 23rd century?
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Old July 22 2014, 07:35 PM   #5
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Re: Spock ponfarred Saavik but she cant have been impregnated

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Then explain Worf and K'Ehleyr's Alexander, who is a quarter human.
Ack! I went to MA to do research on your question and this guy appeared in my screen: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Alexander

Well.

According to MA, K'Ehleyr was conceived via medical help:

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Inte...s_reproduction

Maybe that's why she turned up fertile as demonstrated. The hell, she is almost an Augment now.
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Old July 22 2014, 08:39 PM   #6
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Re: Spock ponfarred Saavik but she cant have been impregnated

Wasn't it one of the movie novelizations that told us Saavik was half-Vulcan/half-Romluan? Those two are close enough not to be considered a hybrid really.

And didn't one of the movie novels indicate Saavik might be pregnant, and that was why she stayed on Vulcan?

I read those novels at the time the movies came out (or a little while before), so I might be imagining these things.
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Old July 22 2014, 08:55 PM   #7
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Re: Spock ponfarred Saavik but she cant have been impregnated

I'm not aware of any onscreen dialogue indicating that Spock was sterile.
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Old July 22 2014, 11:36 PM   #8
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Re: Spock ponfarred Saavik but she cant have been impregnated

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Wasn't it one of the movie novelizations that told us Saavik was half-Vulcan/half-Romluan? Those two are close enough not to be considered a hybrid really.
I agree. No different really than saying someone is half German and half Native American.
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Old July 22 2014, 11:41 PM   #9
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Re: Spock ponfarred Saavik but she cant have been impregnated

At least Leonard Nimoy was able to give Spock a decent Pon Farr episode, to make up for the one he had in AMOK TIME. In The Original Series, of course, when Spock gets to Vulcan he's shaming himself at every turn. Stonn's looking at him with such indignation like, "I can't believe 'they'd' set up T'Pring with this guy. Just look at him ..." And here's Spock, telling T'Pau - High Priestess of all she surveys - that his eyes are aflame, as he's doing everything he can to contain his raging hormones, out in full view of the Public, who's come to gawk. So ... yeah ... Pon Farr on Genesis was a much better Pon Farr. Much better ... however it worked out.
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Old July 22 2014, 11:48 PM   #10
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I'm not aware of any onscreen dialogue indicating that Spock was sterile.
Me neither. Besides, this was Genesis-resurrected Spock. Even if the old Spock was sterile (which again we have no reason to assume), that need not apply to the young Spock on the Genesis Planet. The biological functions of that young Spock are obviously contrary to those of his old biology, since according to those he should be dead, not to mention older.
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Old July 22 2014, 11:51 PM   #11
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Then explain Worf and K'Ehleyr's Alexander, who is a quarter human.
Also Tarsis, who is a quarter Romulan but managed to convince Starfleet that he was a quarter Vulcan.
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Old July 23 2014, 02:20 AM   #12
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Spock's a Vulcan, not a mule.
Half-Vulcan. Big difference.
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Old July 23 2014, 03:01 AM   #13
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Re: Spock ponfarred Saavik but she cant have been impregnated

For what it's worth, the novel Yesterday's Son reveals that Spock had a son Zar with Zarabeth.

IIRC, one of the novels, Sarek or Spock's World I think, revealed that there was some genetic engineering, or something like it, involved in Spock's conception.

The idea that all the major species share a common ancestor in their seeding does smooth the way a bit to allow for fertile hybrids imo. It's all make believe anyways, and there are examples of alien hybrids having children.
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Old July 23 2014, 03:37 AM   #14
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Re: Spock ponfarred Saavik but she cant have been impregnated

Until this thread, I never realized 'Pon Farr' could be used in the form of a verb.
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Old July 23 2014, 03:41 AM   #15
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Re: Spock ponfarred Saavik but she cant have been impregnated

Melakon wrote: View Post
Spock's a Vulcan, not a mule.
His mother was human...

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Wasn't it one of the movie novelizations that told us Saavik was half-Vulcan/half-Romluan? Those two are close enough not to be considered a hybrid really.
It's the same difference as Europeans being able to have viable offspring with the native Americans (as in no difference at all). Unless genetic engineering has happened or some drastic change has occurred in one culture's reproduction system, a few thousand years' separation makes no difference.

Considering that Sarek intended Spock to carry on the family name, lineage, and place in Vulcan society, for sure he'd have made sure Spock would be able to father viable offspring.
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