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Old October 20 2008, 08:53 AM   #1
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Solution in "Counterpoint"

I was considering how instead of the complicated way that Voyager hid the telepaths, including Tuvoc, Vorik and the other passengers they had rescued from the transport ship, why could they have simply put all the people that the Devore considered dangerious to their society in stasis chambers while they were in Devore space. Kashyk, although devious seemed like somewhat a resonable person, that may have saved them all that trouble, any suggestions/or comments...
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Old October 20 2008, 01:50 PM   #2
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Then the Devore would have found them.....
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Old October 20 2008, 02:42 PM   #3
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The Devore didn't just want telepaths controlled - they wanted them exterminated. They considered telepathy a mortal threat against their very way of life. Understandable considering theirs was a totalitarian society; and thought, the last bastion of freedom.

Hence Kashyk's fatal flaw: arrogance-with the mandate of the State, a state whose own mandate was invalidated by the very existence of telepaths, who could circumvent social communication channels.

I suspect the war against telepaths was not in defense, as Kashyk implied, but started by the Imperium in its own arrogance.

Unfortunately, not so much science fiction these days.
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Old October 21 2008, 03:58 AM   #4
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There's also a line in the episode about violating the Devore's cargo protocols. It's not just illegal to have telepaths around the Devore; it's illegal to transport them, as if they were dangerous weapons. Putting them in the gun cabinet wouldn't be enough.
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Old October 21 2008, 02:31 PM   #5
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Scatta, I like your avatar; are you a J/P fan?
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Old October 21 2008, 04:14 PM   #6
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Points well taken, however, Kashyk was aware of Tuvok and Vorik were still on Voyager even after the other telepaths escaped. He could still have taken Voyager under those circumstances. Just mabey he could have been trying to do right by Voyager.
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Old October 21 2008, 05:09 PM   #7
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They were?
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Old October 21 2008, 07:31 PM   #8
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I believe Tuvok and Vorik stayed with the refugees until Voyager had cleared Devoran space.
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Old October 22 2008, 12:17 AM   #9
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I'll check the DVD at some point, but I don't think VGer's telepaths were on the shuttle because it went on through the wormhole. I could be wrong, though.

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Old October 22 2008, 03:19 PM   #10
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^ ^ I'm not a J/P fan either, although I know there are some. Tom's my favorite character, and I like seeing him get some credit. I agree that he was a good friend to Kathryn -- and really to everybody.
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Old October 22 2008, 08:57 PM   #11
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I'll check the DVD at some point, but I don't think VGer's telepaths were on the shuttle because it went on through the wormhole. I could be wrong, though.
They were kept in transporter suspension in the cargo bay, iirc

Edit: Oh no, that was vegetables

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Old October 22 2008, 11:57 PM   #12
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^ ^ And Arabica coffee beans. According to one of the novels, Spock kept those in suspension, too. He knows how to prioritize.
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Old October 23 2008, 12:23 AM   #13
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Don't forget the Borg baby.
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Old October 23 2008, 12:26 AM   #14
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^ ^ And Arabica coffee beans. According to one of the novels, Spock kept those in suspension, too. He knows how to prioritize.
Yet another reason to like Spock.
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Old October 23 2008, 04:18 PM   #15
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^ ^ Yeah, he's my original favorite. But he's kinda hard to get, so I have dallied with others.
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