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Old October 8 2008, 02:37 PM   #91
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Re: Takei And Altman Wed

What I want is the simplicity of going down to the courthouse, getting a license and doing the deed. If a church doesn't want to marry us, fine. I probably wouldn't go to that church anyway. After all, they don't have to marry all straight people, do they? Would a Catholic church perform a Jewish wedding? Would a Southern Baptist church perform a Catholic wedding? I seriously doubt it.

I want hospital visitation rights, the right to file our taxes jointly, and the ability for my husband to retain our home as next of kin should I die, without having to set up extra legal barricades to keep my blood relatives from taking it out from under him. And I want my union recognized by every state in the nation, not evaporate as I cross state lines. Straight people get all of that when they marry without lifting a finger.

From Sarah Palin's words at the debate, she thinks because I can accomplish similar things (except recognition by other states and filing joint taxes, of course.. she conveniently forgot about those) by racking up a ton of attorney's fees, setting up contracts and powers of attorney and wasting days of time setting it all up, that all is equal. IT. IS. NOT.

And it is not "special" rights we are seeking. Whoever says that is FULL OF SHIT. They are the same rights every straight person who marries gets without even thinking about it.
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Old October 8 2008, 05:32 PM   #92
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I knew that from when Obama went on that LGBT panel discussion during the primaries, where most of the Democrats but none of the GOP candidates deigned to appear. He supports civil unions, allowing churches to make their own minds up. As a gay man in an eleven year relationship, I tend to agree. I don't want their doctrine forced on me, so my union shouldn't be forced on them. If they don't want to call it marriage, fine. But my union should have all the legal benefits and ramifications of any other "marriage" and be recognized across the country, not evaporate when I cross state lines.
That's all fine and good, but "separate but equal" still leaves a bad taste in my mouth, just as it should everyone else's.
Why should it? The components are different so what's the problem with it being called something different? Doesn't bother me in the least.
Explain to me the logic of the government offering the same bundle of rights to both heterosexual and homosexual couples, yet giving that same bundle a different name, depending solely on your orientation/preference.
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Old October 8 2008, 06:40 PM   #93
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What I want is the simplicity of going down to the courthouse, getting a license and doing the deed. If a church doesn't want to marry us, fine. I probably wouldn't go to that church anyway. After all, they don't have to marry all straight people, do they? Would a Catholic church perform a Jewish wedding? Would a Southern Baptist church perform a Catholic wedding? I seriously doubt it.

I want hospital visitation rights, the right to file our taxes jointly, and the ability for my husband to retain our home as next of kin should I die, without having to set up extra legal barricades to keep my blood relatives from taking it out from under him. And I want my union recognized by every state in the nation, not evaporate as I cross state lines. Straight people get all of that when they marry without lifting a finger.
States have a compelling interest in promoting real marriages, and that's why traditional married couples enjoy the most legal benefits. What's the state's interest when it comes to your homosexual relationship?
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Old October 8 2008, 06:41 PM   #94
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What's the state's interest when it comes to your heterosexual relationship?
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Old October 9 2008, 01:14 AM   #95
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That's all fine and good, but "separate but equal" still leaves a bad taste in my mouth, just as it should everyone else's.
Why should it? The components are different so what's the problem with it being called something different? Doesn't bother me in the least.
Explain to me the logic of the government offering the same bundle of rights to both heterosexual and homosexual couples, yet giving that same bundle a different name, depending solely on your orientation/preference.
I can see calling it something different simply because it's apples and oranges. If a man is represented by a 1 and a woman by a 2, then they equal 3 when combined together. In homosexual unions you either have a total of 2 or 4. Very simplistic, but it's just to make my point.

Then again I don't care what it's called. To me it's not a marriage, but everyone deserves equal rights among themselves.
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Old October 9 2008, 01:45 PM   #96
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States have a compelling interest in promoting real marriages, and that's why traditional married couples enjoy the most legal benefits.
What's a real marriage, exactly?
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Old October 9 2008, 04:48 PM   #97
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Why should it? The components are different so what's the problem with it being called something different? Doesn't bother me in the least.
Explain to me the logic of the government offering the same bundle of rights to both heterosexual and homosexual couples, yet giving that same bundle a different name, depending solely on your orientation/preference.
I can see calling it something different simply because it's apples and oranges.
So let's call inter-racial marriage something else.

And a marriage between two black people.

And a marriage between two Russians.

And a marriage between midgets.

This is going to be a long list.
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Old October 10 2008, 01:43 AM   #98
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Explain to me the logic of the government offering the same bundle of rights to both heterosexual and homosexual couples, yet giving that same bundle a different name, depending solely on your orientation/preference.
I can see calling it something different simply because it's apples and oranges.
So let's call inter-racial marriage something else.

And a marriage between two black people.

And a marriage between two Russians.

And a marriage between midgets.

This is going to be a long list.
I believe height challenged folks might have a problem with your descriptor of choice.
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Old October 10 2008, 03:31 AM   #99
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Re: Takei And Altman Wed

Well that was one hell of a non-answer ...
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Old October 10 2008, 05:52 AM   #100
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TheLonelySquire wrote: View Post
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I can see calling it something different simply because it's apples and oranges.
So let's call inter-racial marriage something else.

And a marriage between two black people.

And a marriage between two Russians.

And a marriage between midgets.

This is going to be a long list.
I believe height challenged folks might have a problem with your descriptor of choice.
No problem.

We'll have one name for height challenged folks that have a problem with that term, and another name for those that don't.

It's apples and oranges.
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Old October 12 2008, 04:59 AM   #101
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Stephen T. Colbert wrote: View Post
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So let's call inter-racial marriage something else.

And a marriage between two black people.

And a marriage between two Russians.

And a marriage between midgets.

This is going to be a long list.
I believe height challenged folks might have a problem with your descriptor of choice.
No problem.

We'll have one name for height challenged folks that have a problem with that term, and another name for those that don't.

It's apples and oranges.
Well, if you can't see there is a difference between men and women there's no sense in pointing it out to you further.
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Old October 15 2008, 05:09 PM   #102
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Re: Takei And Altman Wed

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Why should it? The components are different so what's the problem with it being called something different? Doesn't bother me in the least.
So perhaps you can identify how my relationship with Thor must differ from a hetero couple?

Well, if you can't see there is a difference between men and women there's no sense in pointing it out to you further.
How does that difference make the relationship different? Do you think the love I feel for my spouse must be different? If so , how?
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Old October 15 2008, 05:26 PM   #103
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Re: Takei And Altman Wed

TheLonelySquire wrote: View Post
Stephen T. Colbert wrote: View Post
TheLonelySquire wrote: View Post

I believe height challenged folks might have a problem with your descriptor of choice.
No problem.

We'll have one name for height challenged folks that have a problem with that term, and another name for those that don't.

It's apples and oranges.
Well, if you can't see there is a difference between men and women there's no sense in pointing it out to you further.
I only wish everyone was as blissfully ignorant as I am. Maybe some day, in the future.
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