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Old September 15 2008, 06:17 PM   #1
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Dollhouse in Trouble?

Just how in trouble is Dollhouse?

Despite the official line that the production hiatus is simply to give Whedon a chance to retool scripts to his own satisfaction, Television Week has heard a slightly more believable take on the situation:
A person familiar with the thinking of some Fox executives told TelevisionWeek that there have been concerns raised inside the network about the fundamental underpinnings of the show.
Specifically, because the heroine of the show, played by Eliza Dushku, has no free will or ability to do much beyond what she’s told to do, viewers might find it hard to root for her. In addition, some executives have expressed concerns that early episodes of the series have been confusing and hard to follow.
This has been my concern from the beginning. The concept is a bit out there and may have trouble finding its footing. After having to redo the pilot, I find this disconcerting.
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Old September 15 2008, 06:51 PM   #2
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Oh ffs. I knew this would happen.
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Old September 15 2008, 07:04 PM   #3
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The idea, while "out there," is also a fantastic and unique one, and one that I believe people will connect with once they allow for the possibility.

As far as Dushku's character not having free will or anything of that nature, well... Isn't she, and the other characters, supposed to begin to assert themselves in future episodes? In that fashion, they would start questioning what they were doing, and the "problem" would be somewhat resolved.

That, and, quite frankly, how does lack of free will in this show differ than any movie/show dealing with military forces? Soldiers in combat are essentially the characters from the show; following orders.
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Old September 15 2008, 07:07 PM   #4
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Re: Dollhouse in Trouble?

Seems like the execs are underestimating the intelligence of potential viewers. I really hope this show goes ahead as planned and succeeds.
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Old September 15 2008, 07:08 PM   #5
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Seems like the execs are underestimating the intelligence of potential viewers.
Yeah, well, no surprise there.
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Old September 15 2008, 07:10 PM   #6
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^If American viewers can keep up with the likes of Lost and Heroes which do not have episodic, easily resolved stories, surely they can keep up with this ?

As this is a Joss show, I will probably bend my "No New TV Shows" rule for it but it will wait until it's out on DVD (or Blu-Ray).
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Old September 15 2008, 07:10 PM   #7
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In addition, some executives have expressed concerns that early episodes of the series have been confusing and hard to follow.
Confusing and hard to follow....to EXECUTIVES. Specifically the genre challanged ones at FOX.

Fox TV the ones who didn't "get" Firefly enough so they showed it out of order, delayed it and moved it around.

If they didn't get it, find Dollhouse confusing then its a sure fire bet that the show if brilliant!
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Old September 15 2008, 07:13 PM   #8
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^I do believe that the portrayal of Fox's executives in Futurama's "Bender Should Not Be Allowed On TV" is more accurate than I previously thought.
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Old September 15 2008, 07:18 PM   #9
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This is the second Fox show to be shut down for scripts to be retooled. The first was 24, so it seems like something is going on. The optimist in my wants to think they are actually looking for them to be as good as possible this season, but probably not.
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Old September 15 2008, 07:53 PM   #10
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Does this actually surprise anyone?


Actually, now that I think about it, it is almost too believable (almost stereotypically so) at this point. Hope it goes forward without too much executive meddling.
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Old September 15 2008, 07:59 PM   #11
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there have been concerns raised inside the network about the fundamental underpinnings of the show.
Specifically, because the heroine of the show, played by Eliza Dushku, has no free will or ability to do much beyond what she’s told to do, viewers might find it hard to root for her.
From the first time I read this premise, my initial thought was similar: where's the Why-Should-I-Care factor in all this? The lead character must want something, and I must care about her enough that I want to see her get what she wants. Then the story is all about her overcoming the obstacles while the audience roots for her. That's the underlying structure of all stories, at least all pop-culture or reasonably popular stories (discounting just the arty/experimental stuff that never makes it to TV anyway). Without this, there's no reason for the audience to tune in.

The concept of Dolls themselves is not at all too "out there." You just have a lead character Doll who is struggling to become self-aware and what she wants is to break free and no longer be enslaved. The audience can certainly root for that! Then the problem becomes, how long can you extend that premise in a TV series...

If the Dolls are voluntarily being enslaved, then the Who-Cares factor is a problem. She brought it on herself, I have no sympathy for her plight. Also, there's a logic problem: who'd volunteer for that?
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Old September 15 2008, 08:11 PM   #12
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Isn't this premise just like Alias? Sydney Bristow whores herself out on missions to get the job done, but then realizes all is not what it seems and secretly works against the system?

The only problem is how long does it take for the twist to come. As is, it sounds like it wouldn't come until 8 episodes in or something, which would be understandably troubling. If the character "reboots" every episode and it's just an anthology with the same actors, who cares, generally speaking. I hope this isn't the case in early episodes, but who knows?
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Old September 15 2008, 08:20 PM   #13
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The lack of serialization would be another barrier to me watching this show, but all my objections right now are based on very incomplete evidence. Done right, this premise could work just fine.
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Old September 15 2008, 08:21 PM   #14
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It's a Joss Whedon show. Serialization is a given eventually. He does like to go with the "start standalone" approach, though.
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Old September 15 2008, 08:27 PM   #15
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Maybe the show is confusing and hard to follow? How would any of us know?
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