Need help identifying some design origins

lennier1 · July 15 2010, 09:36 PM

Hi guys

I'm currently working on some models for a dockyard scene and since I don't want do use the regular stuff that has been done to death and back again (Wokbee, NCC-1701, standard drydock) I'm planning to some designs often not known to the majority of viewers.

Unfortunately some online sources don't provide the credits for some images on the pic itself. So it would be great if somebody could help me out so the designers can be credited in the final images.

Thanks in advance for trying to help to identify those three.

A yard tug of some kind. Looks crazy enough to be from one of the FASA sources.

A cargo variant of the Vulcan shuttle. Somehow I've always been intrigued by this one.

Looks like somebody converted the frame of the tractor beam tug into a cargo transport.

In case anybody's interested here's also a couple of preview shots of some related WIPs for this project:

Workbee by B.J. Olejnik (based on an early concept drawing for the TMP shuttle which later evolved into the Workbee we know).

One of the V-shaped drydock variants seen in some of Andrew Probert's concept sketches (not a fan of the movable hinges he had in mind so I won't include those).

Cargo shuttle based on the concept shown above.

Ship to be docked (I'm starting with a completed one and the image will show a version in different states of assembly). The final ship will be a combination of one of David Briedis' designs and several aspects from concept drawings which never made it into the TMP version. The idea is to create a more primitive "pathfinder" for the major upgrade of the fleet's technology to TMP hardware.
(Still not sure what kind of nacelles to use. The ones in the renders below have already been axed.)

Sean_McCormick · July 15 2010, 10:10 PM

The second and third schematic (cargo shuttles based on TMP vulcan shuttle and TVH tractor tug) are from Eric Kristiansen (Jackill).

lennier1 · July 15 2010, 10:17 PM

Tank you!
Hopefully somebody will recognize the first one as well.

Kaiser · July 15 2010, 11:08 PM

first one :

Federation Technological Survey Vol.1
----- 2150 to 2370

by Lawrence miller

http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/fts.php

lennier1 · July 15 2010, 11:31 PM

Thanks once again!

ST-One · July 16 2010, 11:57 AM

The ship looks really nice so far.

The (Vulcan) shuttle is really interesting.

lennier1 · July 16 2010, 12:09 PM

ST-One wrote:

The ship looks really nice so far.

The (Vulcan) shuttle is really interesting.

Thanks.

Well, at least one of us has to build some models every once in a while. And since you're off god knows where, caring for your politically challenged boyfriend ...

B.J. · July 16 2010, 01:53 PM

Can't help with identifying the designs, but your renders look good so far!

lennier1 wrote:

Workbee by B.J. Olejnik

Woo hoo!

publiusr · July 16 2010, 06:57 PM

Your Phase II-esque pathfinder project looks a lot like Shaw's reconstruction of the three footer with the flatter saucer components. I always pictured the three footer as what the NCC-1700 looked like, so you might have the Pathfinder develop into the Constitution (II) that Aridas drew, only 'as built' perhaps.

ST-One · July 17 2010, 09:03 AM

lennier1 wrote:

ST-One wrote:

The ship looks really nice so far.

The (Vulcan) shuttle is really interesting.

Thanks.

Well, at least one of us has to build some models every once in a while. And since you're off god knows where, caring for your politically challenged boyfriend ...

Yeah, it's full-time-job.

But I must say, that Tobias Richter's dry-dock-project is filling my head with such thoughts and ideas...

lennier1 · July 17 2010, 01:17 PM

ST-One wrote:

But I must say, that Tobias Richter's dry-dock-project is filling my head with such thoughts and ideas...

I like the sound of that!!!
And you still have to beat that animation of your DS3 you did ages ago.

Just fire up Lightwave and start digging through your reference folders, old man.

ST-One · July 17 2010, 05:57 PM

lennier1 wrote:

ST-One wrote:

But I must say, that Tobias Richter's dry-dock-project is filling my head with such thoughts and ideas...

I like the sound of that!!!
And you still have to beat that animation of your DS3 you did ages ago.

Just fire up Lightwave and start digging through your reference folders, old man.

DS5

which animation do you mean?

lennier1 · July 17 2010, 07:03 PM

^^ Sorry, but that was so long ago.

Remember that lighting experiment with the arriving shuttle? That's when you pretty much nailed the Voyager look.

ST-One · July 18 2010, 12:34 PM

lennier1 wrote:

^^ Sorry, but that was so long ago.

Remember that lighting experiment with the arriving shuttle? That's when you pretty much nailed the Voyager look.

Ah, yes. That one. That looked quite nice.
God, that you even remembered this...

Thank you

July 15 2010, 10:10 PM	#2
Sean_McCormick Captain	Re: Need help identifying some design origins The second and third schematic (cargo shuttles based on TMP vulcan shuttle and TVH tractor tug) are from Eric Kristiansen (Jackill). __________________ No IE! http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/20...7/BrowserDream http://www.xulplanet.com/ndeakin/arts/reasons.html http://browsehappy.com/

July 15 2010, 10:17 PM	#3
lennier1 Commodore Location: Germany	Re: Need help identifying some design origins Tank you! Hopefully somebody will recognize the first one as well. __________________ Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

July 15 2010, 11:08 PM	#4
Kaiser Rear Admiral Location: Boyertown, PA as of July 2011	Re: Need help identifying some design origins first one : Federation Technological Survey Vol.1 ----- 2150 to 2370 by Lawrence miller http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/fts.php __________________ https://www.facebook.com/groups/112860258811333/ For all your Sci-fi ship model and mini goodness 3DS Friend code: 0731-4800-6817

July 15 2010, 11:31 PM	#5
lennier1 Commodore Location: Germany	Re: Need help identifying some design origins Thanks once again! __________________ Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

July 16 2010, 11:57 AM	#6
ST-One Vice Admiral Location: Germany - with UHC since the early 1900s	Re: Need help identifying some design origins The ship looks really nice so far. The (Vulcan) shuttle is really interesting.

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July 16 2010, 06:57 PM	#9
publiusr Fleet Captain	Re: Need help identifying some design origins Your Phase II-esque pathfinder project looks a lot like Shaw's reconstruction of the three footer with the flatter saucer components. I always pictured the three footer as what the NCC-1700 looked like, so you might have the Pathfinder develop into the Constitution (II) that Aridas drew, only 'as built' perhaps.

July 17 2010, 07:03 PM	#13
lennier1 Commodore Location: Germany	Re: Need help identifying some design origins ^^ Sorry, but that was so long ago. Remember that lighting experiment with the arriving shuttle? That's when you pretty much nailed the Voyager look. __________________ Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.