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Old September 10 2008, 08:46 AM   #31
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Re: What are Captain America's politics?

I won't say that Tony's methods weren't shit. They were. But in the end I had to go with his side because of the benefits it offered. And I kinda feel like a bastard for saying this but since the superheroes had abilities that could be used to fight crime, why shouldn't they be drafted into service?
Because, like anyone, especially any American, you should be free to live your life, within the law, as you choose, to place your talent towards whatever endeavor you wish.

Just like Tony had the opportunity to do.
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Old September 10 2008, 08:49 AM   #32
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Re: What are Captain America's politics?

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Cap is for America and the American Dream.

As an icon he knows he has to remain neutral.

Steve Rogers on the other hand..
Same guy. No different with or without the mask.
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Old September 10 2008, 08:53 AM   #33
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Cap is an old school conservative or rather democrat from the 40s and adheres closely to the views of the people of that era...

Politically he may be a conservative (in the true meaning of the word and not today's Karl Rove/Bush conservatism) but socially he's very liberal. He merits people on character and not on skin tone yet he supports a firm stance against anyone trying to hurt America...
This sounds right to me -- in the literal, not political, meaning of liberalism.



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Captain America = Barak Obama
Iron Man = John McCain
Oh hell no.
Why not?

Though in my opinion Cap can be claimed by both sides. He represents all that is correct about America. Neither side is 100 % wrong or 100% right.
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Old September 11 2008, 05:51 PM   #34
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Re: What are Captain America's politics?

Nerys Myk wrote: View Post
A beaker full of death wrote: View Post
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Cap is an old school conservative or rather democrat from the 40s and adheres closely to the views of the people of that era...

Politically he may be a conservative (in the true meaning of the word and not today's Karl Rove/Bush conservatism) but socially he's very liberal. He merits people on character and not on skin tone yet he supports a firm stance against anyone trying to hurt America...
This sounds right to me -- in the literal, not political, meaning of liberalism.



Temis the Vorta wrote: View Post
Captain America = Barak Obama
Iron Man = John McCain
Oh hell no.
Why not?

Though in my opinion Cap can be claimed by both sides. He represents all that is correct about America. Neither side is 100 % wrong or 100% right.
So you just answered why not.
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Old September 11 2008, 10:45 PM   #35
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This sounds right to me -- in the literal, not political, meaning of liberalism.





Oh hell no.
Why not?

Though in my opinion Cap can be claimed by both sides. He represents all that is correct about America. Neither side is 100 % wrong or 100% right.
So you just answered why not.
NAh, the point is that every one sees Cap as being on their side. Mostly because he has all the positives and none of the negatives. He is Obama and McCain. He can inspire and has endured hardship. He's a Maverick and stands for hope and change. He's community organizer and a reformer.
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Old September 11 2008, 11:16 PM   #36
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Why not?

Though in my opinion Cap can be claimed by both sides. He represents all that is correct about America. Neither side is 100 % wrong or 100% right.
So you just answered why not.
NAh, the point is that every one sees Cap as being on their side. Mostly because he has all the positives and none of the negatives. He is Obama and McCain. He can inspire and has endured hardship. He's a Maverick and stands for hope and change. He's community organizer and a reformer.
Oh ok. But the statement that he is Obama is still incorrect. Since he can't be both, he is actually neither.
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Old September 12 2008, 12:07 AM   #37
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So you just answered why not.
NAh, the point is that every one sees Cap as being on their side. Mostly because he has all the positives and none of the negatives. He is Obama and McCain. He can inspire and has endured hardship. He's a Maverick and stands for hope and change. He's community organizer and a reformer.
Oh ok. But the statement that he is Obama is still incorrect. Since he can't be both, he is actually neither.
But is Obama and he is McCain.
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Old September 12 2008, 12:47 AM   #38
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Re: What are Captain America's politics?

616 Steve Rogers, the person most refer to as Captain America, is liberal and even somewhat socialist, a FDR democrat.

616 James Buchanan, the current Captain America, I peg so far as libertarian and liberal.

616 Grand Director, the Captain America of the 1950's, eventually went insane and became a Nazi. he recently reemerged, but last I read, was amnesiac.

616 John Walker, who served as Captain America in the 1980's and is now USAgent, is very conservative. I'm not sure if he's authoritarian or libertarian.

there's two or three other men from the 616 universe who have been called Captain America, like Isaiah Bradley, but none survived with their minds intact into the modern era, so it's hard to peg where they'd fall under modern politics.
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Old September 12 2008, 05:00 AM   #39
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The second Cap (William Nysland aka the Spirit of 76) was pretty much killed out of the gate. The Third Cap (Jeff Mace aka the Patriot) took over for a few years till he got married and retired. He died recently. No idea where they fell politically. Though both greatly admired Steve Rogers so they might have similar beliefs.
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Old September 12 2008, 05:03 AM   #40
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616 James Buchanan, the current Captain America . . .
James Buchanan 'Bucky' Barnes, so James Barnes, actually.
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Old September 12 2008, 05:21 AM   #41
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Re: What are Captain America's politics?

Barnes. James Barnes







What?
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Old September 12 2008, 06:19 AM   #42
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Though both greatly admired Steve Rogers so they might have similar beliefs.
Heh. You know, the Punisher greatly admires Steve Rogers...

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Old September 12 2008, 07:04 AM   #43
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^The feeling was not mutual.
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Old September 12 2008, 06:29 PM   #44
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^ He made it longer than I thought he would!
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Old September 13 2008, 05:19 AM   #45
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616 James Buchanan, the current Captain America . . .
James Buchanan 'Bucky' Barnes, so James Barnes, actually.
oh noes... I was tempted to type "Bucky" but it just doesn't sound right anymore.
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