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Old September 8 2008, 09:50 PM   #16
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Most of those picks are too old. Cap is 25 tops at the start of his career.
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Old September 8 2008, 10:01 PM   #17
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Well, if they can re-tool the origin story to fit with, say, the Cold War arms race instead of WWII, I can see it.

Normally I'm against changing the race of an icon, but frankly I've typically found CA to be boring and would welcome the change in this instance.
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Old September 8 2008, 10:01 PM   #18
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Most of those picks are too old. Cap is 25 tops at the start of his career.
I'd say the actor can be 25 but Steve Rogers was an Army cast off wasn't he? He was seen as too frail to join but was offered a chance to serve his country as a test subject. I'd say for the era Rogers was age 17/18 and frozen as Cap about age 22/23 tops.
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Old September 8 2008, 10:05 PM   #19
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Well, if they can re-tool the origin story to fit with, say, the Cold War arms race instead of WWII, I can see it.
Even with a 1950s scenario you'd still have to address the racism issue.

Still can't think of any actor in his mid 20s or younger able to pull off the role. Patrick Wilson maybe - he looks a lot younger than his actual age.
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Old September 8 2008, 10:27 PM   #20
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Brad Pitt is too old.
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Dick Purcell was 36 when he played Captain America.
Bill Bixby was 45 when he started playing D. Bruce Banner.
George Reeves was almost 40 when he first played Superman. Of course, back then adults played these roles, not little boys.

Captain America needs a certain maturity. He's not Spiderman or the Human Torch or Robin.
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Old September 8 2008, 10:34 PM   #21
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I'll be the first to say it.

Captain America's NOT black.
I agree. It's not realistic even for a comic book. The American Government and America in general was horribly racist in the 40's and there is no way they would pick a black guy for Project Rebirth.
And there's no way they could do a story that captures the spirit of American patriotism and liberty without setting the origin in the 1940s? I mean, Iron Man's origins have continually shifted in time period and location from 1960s Vietnam to 2000s Afghanistan. Why can't they do a different version of Captain America that still captures the spirit of the character?

Or is the spirit of the character itself too essentially white?
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Old September 8 2008, 10:34 PM   #22
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I'd rather not see Will Smith in it, if only because I'm getting sick of him being in every other sci-fi blockbuster these days. Independence Day, Men In Black, Wild Wild West, I Robot, I Am Legend, Hancock etc
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As someone who is also demographically-challenged by today's marketing standards, I sympathize. But don't hold your breath!

..and I think the WWII origin of Cap gives it at least a chance to have some appeal outside our shores. Especially as it'll hopefully come out in an atmosphere a little less anti-American than the one our current regime hath wrought.
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Old September 8 2008, 10:34 PM   #24
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Part of me says this is a false rumor, but I could see them going for Will Smith because he's a box office draw.
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Old September 8 2008, 10:40 PM   #25
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Dick Purcell was 36 when he played Captain America.
Bill Bixby was 45 when he started playing D. Bruce Banner.
George Reeves was almost 40 when he first played Superman. Of course, back then adults played these roles, not little boys.

Captain America needs a certain maturity.
Which is at odds with his age: he's barely 20 when he volunteers, which would make him around 25 by the time World War II is over.
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And there's no way they could do a story that captures the spirit of American patriotism and liberty without setting the origin in the 1940s? I mean, Iron Man's origins have continually shifted in time period and location from 1960s Vietnam to 2000s Afghanistan. Why can't they do a different version of Captain America that still captures the spirit of the character?
Captain America has his foundation solidly in World War II; that's the era when he makes sense; the Last Good War. He doesn't work in Vietnam or the Gulf or the current Afghan conflict.

He particularly can't be contemporized because the whole premise is that he's a man out of time; a guy who goes to sleep in 1945 and wakes up in ____ (as time goes by, the implications of this jump become vaster and vaster; there's a considerable difference between waking up in 1964 and waking up in 2008).
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Old September 8 2008, 10:45 PM   #26
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Interesting, not the first time Marvel has changed a character's color:

Kingpin = Black
Nick Fury = Black

Hmmm...
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Old September 8 2008, 10:51 PM   #27
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Kingpin's race is of little consequence, and the change was motivated by not being able to find a white guy with the right physical profile; depending on what version of Fury you're using (Millar's black version was clearly intended to not be a World War II vet, though that was later tacked on by other writers), neither is his.
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Old September 8 2008, 10:59 PM   #28
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Interesting, not the first time Marvel has changed a character's color:

Kingpin = Black
Nick Fury = Black

Hmmm...
And I honestly didn't mind the change for either of those characters, and even considered them both to be examples of brilliant casting, but I don't think it would work for Cap if they did the story right. Cap's origin is too tightly tied to WW2, and as sad as it is to say, the American government of the 40's simply would not have turned a black man into their national symbol.

The only way to make Will Smith work as Cap is to totally change the origin and backstory, and superhero movies that do that almost always fall flat. Consider that an early draft of Watchmen had Dr. Manhattan preventing 9/11 instead of winning the Vietnam war. That would have enabled the producers to set the story in modern times, but would have been an unforgivable violation of the source material that would have done more harm to the story than good.
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Old September 8 2008, 11:08 PM   #29
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And there's no way they could do a story that captures the spirit of American patriotism and liberty without setting the origin in the 1940s?
Yes, by doing the "Red, White and Black" origin story. But that's a different story from the mainstream Captain America story - it's really a different movie.

There could be a kernel of truth in these rumors if the "black Captain America" that was the subject of the original experiments is featured in the movie along with his white successor. And that Captain America could also have his own movies.

But Wil Smith would really be too old for the role anyway. They really should be looking for actors who are under 25. Sorry to sound age-ist, but the Army is not going to be experimenting on middle-aged guys. They'd opt for a healthy 18 year old recruit as having the best odds of success

..and I think the WWII origin of Cap gives it at least a chance to have some appeal outside our shores.
Screw that, not at the expense of the integrity of the material. But if this is being done by Marvel and not by some soulless money-grubbing Hollywood studio, I have more faith that integrity might actually trump profit for a change.
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Old September 8 2008, 11:11 PM   #30
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Interesting, not the first time Marvel has changed a character's color:

Kingpin = Black
Nick Fury = Black

Hmmm...
And I honestly didn't mind the change for either of those characters, and even considered them both to be examples of brilliant casting, but I don't think it would work for Cap if they did the story right. Cap's origin is too tightly tied to WW2, and as sad as it is to say, the American government of the 40's simply would not have turned a black man into their national symbol.
I thought the black Kingpin was atrocious.

I think there are some ways to make a 'black' Captain America in the 1940s and make it true of the age and such.
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