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Old September 10 2008, 02:03 AM   #1
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V'Ger "Touching" Spock

...I was just watching ST:TMP and when Spock was about to receive the symbol of total logic but rejected it due to a..."feeling" of V'ger's consciousness or mind. Why exactly did he sense V'Ger? How could he? Since it was exactingly perfect logic he sensed why then would his "human" blood/side aid him in sensing it. Ultimately he concluded that "logic & knowledge is not enough."
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Old September 10 2008, 02:33 AM   #2
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...I was just watching ST:TMP and when Spock was about to receive the symbol of total logic but rejected it due to a..."feeling" of V'ger's consciousness or mind. Why exactly did he sense V'Ger? How could he? Since it was exactingly perfect logic he sensed why then would his "human" blood/side aid him in sensing it. Ultimately he concluded that "logic & knowledge is not enough."
V'Ger was yearning. Needing. Questioning. It was having an existential crisis. So was Spock.
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Old September 10 2008, 04:40 AM   #3
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It was a consciousness of such a high level that he had never before encountered. It stirred his curiosity at a scientific and emotional level, it sparked his sense of adventure, preventing him from reaching total logic.
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Old September 10 2008, 10:29 AM   #4
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Spock later pointed out on a doll where V'ger had touched him.
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Old September 10 2008, 06:03 PM   #5
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Re: V'Ger "Touching" Spock

I knew someone was going to make this joke, as soon as I read the thread title!

Seriously, I always liked the way Nimoy played that scene. Spock was clearly thrown by what had happened, and just as clearly had no idea what it was.
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Old September 10 2008, 11:40 PM   #6
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I always assumed that Vulcan lies between Earth and the Klingon Empire. So that V'Ger was close enough for Spock's telepathic mind to pick up some thoughts like he did later on the Enterprise. If I remember correctly from the novel, V'Ger was looking for a living "Rosetta stone" to help resolve its crisis in finding its creator and evolving into something more. V'Ger was looking for something more than logic (like Spock) and Spock was seeking total logic (like V'Ger). It's no wonder there two minds were drawn to each other whenever they were in close proximity.
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Old September 11 2008, 06:41 AM   #7
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I always thought that the vulcan master that mind-melded with Spock acted very disgusted and uppity when she read his mind. It was also surprising that she just dropped the kohlinar symbol to the ground.
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Old September 11 2008, 03:40 PM   #8
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Was the dropping symbolic?
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Old September 11 2008, 03:45 PM   #9
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Re: V'Ger "Touching" Spock

It was symbolic of the Vulcan master telling Spock he's full of fail.
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Old September 11 2008, 03:48 PM   #10
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That's what I thought! ^^
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Old September 11 2008, 06:23 PM   #11
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Spock later pointed out on a doll where V'ger had touched him.
Spock: "Jim, I've just been touched funny by V'Ger."
Kirk: "Show us on the doll, Spock."
Spock: "I don't wanna."
McCoy: "Damnit, Spock. We're trying to help your green-blooded molested ass."
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Old September 11 2008, 09:14 PM   #12
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Was the dropping symbolic?
Well, a logically minded Vulcan would see that there is no intrinsic value to silly jewelry, so only the act of hanging it on Spock's neck would count. So yeah, dropping would be quite symbolic.

Then again, a logically minded Spock would just pick the thing from the sand, march back to the city, hang the pendant from his own neck and tell his neighbors "Look, I'm Kolinahru now!".

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Old September 13 2008, 04:50 PM   #13
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I always thought that the vulcan master that mind-melded with Spock acted very disgusted and uppity when she read his mind. It was also surprising that she just dropped the kohlinar symbol to the ground.
"Uppity?" I thought Tim Russ was the first African-American to play a Vulcan.
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Old September 13 2008, 05:11 PM   #14
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I know you're just joking, but can we please not go there, mmmkay?
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Old September 13 2008, 09:00 PM   #15
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Sure, but "uppity" is a term with specific, indelible connotations and they aren't very nice. I think it's best we remember that. I figured I'd point that out by making a joke rather than a lecture.

Oh, and not that it should matter, but I am, myself, African-American.
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