The meeting in Star Trek VI

darkshadow0001 · September 6 2008, 05:48 PM

During the meeting with Spock in the opening scene of Star Trek VI, could you tell if anyone was going to end up being a "traitor" later in the film? I've never noticed it much before, but I noticed Admiral Cartwright looking very nervous. Anyone else?

Augustus · September 6 2008, 07:21 PM

Yeah I noticed it in repeated viewings. But there are no obvious cues to make you suspect anyone..

EnsignYoshi · September 6 2008, 09:20 PM

On later viewing I noticed crewmen Burke and Samno, when the klingons just arrived on board Enterprise, complaining about klingon hygiene etc. Suddenly they bump into val'eris, which asks: "don't you men have work".
I'm not quite sure if I interpreted correctly, but I'm pretty sure she told them to get on with boarding the klingon ship.

trentman359 · September 7 2008, 01:41 AM

Star Trek VI is my favorite movie and I've easily seen it the most. The foreshadowing is all very small and hardly noticeable. I always thought that Valeris was just telling those men to get back to work. Meyer did a great job on this film.

Josh_Lyman · September 7 2008, 08:38 AM

One thing I noticed in that meeting was that EVERY member of Starfleet Command there was a human and the only black man there turned out to be the traitor.

darkshadow0001 · September 7 2008, 08:40 PM

Josh_Lyman wrote:

One thing I noticed in that meeting was that EVERY member of Starfleet Command there was a human and the only black man there turned out to be the traitor.

You forgot Spock

But good point.

Data Holmes · September 7 2008, 10:44 PM

There was an Asian admiral there too... I'm pretty sure.

Edited to add:

Yes I was correct... Actually, overall there is quite a few "minorities" and well as a decent proportion of female officers represented. Here is the overall shot... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0051.jpg

In this clip you can see an Indian woman and a black man... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0048.jpg

Further down, closer to the podium just over spock's right shoulder... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0056.jpg

It's fuzzy, but there is an asian man on the left of this grab... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0049.jpg

This one is clearer from that side, as you can see there are two asian men... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0061.jpg

The aid to the cinc is an asian woman... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0050.jpg

ANd in this clip is a female admiral of non white decent to... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0053.jpg

General_Phoenix · September 9 2008, 07:34 PM

When I saw the movie in the theater I never suspected Admiral Cartwright, although I guess I should have considering his attitude towards the Klingons (bringing them to their knees).

ClayinCA · September 9 2008, 07:37 PM

Heh. I never suspected Admiral Cartwright, but that's mostly because I always liked Brock Peters and didn't think of him as a traitor.

Data Holmes · September 9 2008, 07:40 PM

ClayinCA wrote:

Heh. I never suspected Admiral Cartwright, but that's mostly because I always liked Brock Peters and didn't think of him as a traitor.

Huh... I saw it coming. But I'm always able to see the story before it's over.

It's why my family hates watching TV/Movies with me anymore.

Maurice · September 9 2008, 09:27 PM

^^^It's actually not that hard to do once you understand three act drama and how stories are structured. Everything important gets established in act one, so you know the traitors are someone(s) you met in the first 20 minutes of the film.

Data Holmes · September 9 2008, 09:31 PM

DS9Sega wrote:

^^^It's actually not that hard to do once you understand three act drama and how stories are structured. Everything important gets established in act one, so you know the traitors are someone(s) you met in the first 20 minutes of the film.

I've got alot of ideas on how the movie could have been better.

For one, I still think they should have made Sulu in on it...

Krieg1981 · September 10 2008, 03:10 AM

Josh_Lyman wrote:

One thing I noticed in that meeting was that EVERY member of Starfleet Command there was a human and the only black man there turned out to be the traitor.

I never noticed that. That's wrong on multiple levels(only humans? the traitor is the only black guy?). Jesus!

Data Holmes · September 10 2008, 03:24 AM

krieg1981 wrote:

Josh_Lyman wrote:

One thing I noticed in that meeting was that EVERY member of Starfleet Command there was a human and the only black man there turned out to be the traitor.

I never noticed that. That's wrong on multiple levels(only humans? the traitor is the only black guy?). Jesus!

People see what they want to see.

Krieg1981 · September 10 2008, 04:01 AM

hutt359 wrote:

krieg1981 wrote:

Josh_Lyman wrote:

One thing I noticed in that meeting was that EVERY member of Starfleet Command there was a human and the only black man there turned out to be the traitor.

I never noticed that. That's wrong on multiple levels(only humans? the traitor is the only black guy?). Jesus!

People see what they want to see.

Very true. It's all in the eyes of the beholder.

September 6 2008, 05:48 PM	#1
darkshadow0001 Rear Admiral Location: Indiana	The meeting in Star Trek VI During the meeting with Spock in the opening scene of Star Trek VI, could you tell if anyone was going to end up being a "traitor" later in the film? I've never noticed it much before, but I noticed Admiral Cartwright looking very nervous. Anyone else?

September 6 2008, 07:21 PM	#2
Augustus Fleet Captain Location: Sadly, not in Texas	Re: The meeting in Star Trek VI Yeah I noticed it in repeated viewings. But there are no obvious cues to make you suspect anyone.. __________________ I don't know... I didn't go.

September 6 2008, 09:20 PM	#3
EnsignYoshi Commander Location: EU, Belgium, Flanders	Re: The meeting in Star Trek VI On later viewing I noticed crewmen Burke and Samno, when the klingons just arrived on board Enterprise, complaining about klingon hygiene etc. Suddenly they bump into val'eris, which asks: "don't you men have work". I'm not quite sure if I interpreted correctly, but I'm pretty sure she told them to get on with boarding the klingon ship.

September 7 2008, 01:41 AM	#4
trentman359 Commander Location: Boston	Re: The meeting in Star Trek VI Star Trek VI is my favorite movie and I've easily seen it the most. The foreshadowing is all very small and hardly noticeable. I always thought that Valeris was just telling those men to get back to work. Meyer did a great job on this film.

September 7 2008, 08:38 AM	#5
Josh_Lyman Commander	Re: The meeting in Star Trek VI One thing I noticed in that meeting was that EVERY member of Starfleet Command there was a human and the only black man there turned out to be the traitor. __________________ Kes is the worst character ever in Star Trek.

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September 7 2008, 10:44 PM	#7
Data Holmes Admiral Location: Elitist Social Darwinist	Re: The meeting in Star Trek VI There was an Asian admiral there too... I'm pretty sure. Edited to add: Yes I was correct... Actually, overall there is quite a few "minorities" and well as a decent proportion of female officers represented. Here is the overall shot... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0051.jpg In this clip you can see an Indian woman and a black man... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0048.jpg Further down, closer to the podium just over spock's right shoulder... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0056.jpg It's fuzzy, but there is an asian man on the left of this grab... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0049.jpg This one is clearer from that side, as you can see there are two asian men... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0061.jpg The aid to the cinc is an asian woman... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0050.jpg ANd in this clip is a female admiral of non white decent to... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0053.jpg __________________ Only solitary men know the full joys of friendship. Others have their family; but to a solitary and an exile his friends are everything. -Willa Cather SHADOWS ON THE ROCK

September 9 2008, 07:34 PM	#8
General_Phoenix Commander Location: Bespin	Re: The meeting in Star Trek VI When I saw the movie in the theater I never suspected Admiral Cartwright, although I guess I should have considering his attitude towards the Klingons (bringing them to their knees). __________________ Atomic batteries to power, turbines to speed.

September 9 2008, 07:37 PM	#9
ClayinCA Commodore Location: New New Jersey	Re: The meeting in Star Trek VI Heh. I never suspected Admiral Cartwright, but that's mostly because I always liked Brock Peters and didn't think of him as a traitor.

September 9 2008, 09:27 PM	#11
Maurice Rear Admiral Location: Maurice in San Francisco	Re: The meeting in Star Trek VI ^^^It's actually not that hard to do once you understand three act drama and how stories are structured. Everything important gets established in act one, so you know the traitors are someone(s) you met in the first 20 minutes of the film. __________________ * * * "Star Trek…at times sparkled with true ingenuity, and pure science fiction approaches, and at other times was more carnival like, and very much more the creature of television than the creature of a legitimate literary form." —Rod Serling, 1970"