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Old September 7 2008, 07:50 PM   #16
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Re: Tin Man

Another aspect of the ep I really like is it explored what it would be like to be a truly powerful telepath. Tam was constantly in danger of losing himself to the cacophony of other people's thoughts. I think when he talks about the one race of beings he encountered that had a days-long ceremony for just saying hello was a good illustration of how someone like that would seek out the most unusual creatures with more pacific thought processes. And it also made sense he would enjoy working with Data, whose thoughts he couldn't read because he's an android. -- RR
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Old September 7 2008, 08:13 PM   #17
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"Because I'm not a nice man!"
Originally, "Because I'm not a nice guy." One producer chided us, tongue-in-cheek, that "you don't write the stilted 'Star Trek' language, damn it!"

She was being nice, as there's certainly enough else about the script that's stilted.

Thanks for the kind words, all.

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Old September 8 2008, 01:18 AM   #18
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Not one of my favorite episodes, but an amazing accomplishment getting a story produced on Star Trek. Congratulations on that!
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Old September 8 2008, 02:28 AM   #19
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I'll add my two cents with most here. I enjoyed it as well. It might have been interesting to meet up with them as some later date and hear about some adventures.
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Old September 8 2008, 04:41 AM   #20
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I can't believe he's the same guy who played the mayor on Buffy! Wow, just wow!

I would like to know where they ended up though!
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Old September 11 2008, 01:00 AM   #21
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I would like to know where they ended up though!
Dennis, tell us where they ended up.
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Old September 11 2008, 02:37 AM   #22
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About twenty minutes after the end of the story, Tam ended up in Gomtuu's digestive tract. Oops!
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Old September 11 2008, 02:57 AM   #23
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About twenty minutes after the end of the story, Tam ended up in Gomtuu's digestive tract. Oops!
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Old September 11 2008, 03:25 AM   #24
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About twenty minutes after the end of the story, Tam ended up in Gomtuu's digestive tract. Oops!
If Dennis says that's what happened, then that's what happened.

You just got an exclusive, folks.
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Old September 11 2008, 03:30 AM   #25
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Samuel T. Cogley wrote: View Post
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About twenty minutes after the end of the story, Tam ended up in Gomtuu's digestive tract. Oops!
If Dennis says that's what happened, then that's what happened.

You just got an exclusive, folks.
Noting for the record that the sense of humor of a deteriorating old one-time tv writer is not canon...
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Old September 11 2008, 05:03 AM   #26
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One of the episodes they really knocked out of the park that season. Lots of neat SF elements, brinksmanship, and in terms of characters and development, this version of STTMP was light years better.

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Old September 11 2008, 05:20 AM   #27
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Starship Polaris wrote: View Post
Samuel T. Cogley wrote: View Post
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About twenty minutes after the end of the story, Tam ended up in Gomtuu's digestive tract. Oops!
If Dennis says that's what happened, then that's what happened.

You just got an exclusive, folks.
Noting for the record that the sense of humor of a deteriorating old one-time tv writer is not canon...
The precedent may not be binding, but it is certainly persuasive.
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Starship Polaris wrote: View Post
Yassim wrote: View Post
"Because I'm not a nice man!"
Originally, "Because I'm not a nice guy." One producer chided us, tongue-in-cheek, that "you don't write the stilted 'Star Trek' language, damn it!"

She was being nice, as there's certainly enough else about the script that's stilted.

Thanks for the kind words, all.

Any plans to ever show the unstilted version of your script? I've always been pretty curious as to what some of "Trek's writing rules" are. Especially with how often RDM brings it up in his commentaries.
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Old September 11 2008, 02:27 PM   #29
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Any plans to ever show the unstilted version of your script? I've always been pretty curious as to what some of "Trek's writing rules" are. Especially with how often RDM brings it up in his commentaries.
The changes to the submitted script were remarkably minor - some adjustments to the first and last scene, the substitution of Troi for Riker in a Sickbay scene, and dialogue adjustments throughout - and just about all were clear improvements. Tam's the only character who got his dialogue changed for being too colloquial; we knew the show well enough to keep the other characters in character. I'd just hoped to relax the boundaries a bit by portraying Elbrun as eccentric.
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Old September 12 2008, 02:35 AM   #30
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The only problem with that is that Tam wasn't human and thus his colloquialisms that did survive (calling Riker "Billy Boy,*" for example) seemed a little ham-fisted. Still a good episode, though, one of the few TNG episodes worth re-watching.

*You could, no doubt, argue that he plucked the annoying sobriquet from Riker's mental store of "things I hate to be called" but that requires we go a long way to justify a throw-away gag.
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