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Old September 11 2008, 11:51 PM   #76
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Half the story is told in the art...the background details which often contain information and clues, the symbolism, the segues....
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Old September 12 2008, 07:06 AM   #77
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The writing is excellent.. The artwork is badly outdated in several instances...
How does art get outdated? The style? Style comes and goes.

I'm re-reading it for the first time in eons and noticing lots of stuff that slipped by me before. For instance, I love Doc Manhattan contemplating Dali's La persistencia de la memoria while talking to Janie bout why he didn't stop Kennedy's assasination...the painting symbolizing the irrelevance of time.
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Old September 12 2008, 07:19 AM   #78
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The writing is excellent.. The artwork is badly outdated in several instances...
The artwork is not "outdated." It is, however, fair to say that the coloring job reflects the era it was written in, and I suspect that Moore and Gibbons, if they were producing it today, would probably take advantage of the greater range of colorings available to do more with it.
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Old September 12 2008, 07:51 AM   #79
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As I understand it, even the coloring choices were intentional and relevant. For instance, anything you see in purple is related to Veidt and the conspiracy.
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Old September 12 2008, 02:51 PM   #80
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As I understand it, even the coloring choices were intentional and relevant. For instance, anything you see in purple is related to Veidt and the conspiracy.
I'm sure. I was just arguing that Moore and Gibbons would probably have used the greater range of modern coloring technologies to do more things like that.
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Old September 12 2008, 05:26 PM   #81
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The writing is excellent.. The artwork is badly outdated in several instances...
How does art get outdated? The style? Style comes and goes.

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I might agree with the art looking like the period it came from, but I wouldn't use the phrase "badly outdated". I can just tell that it's not new.
But the cover is still very, I dunno, modern.
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Old September 13 2008, 12:53 AM   #82
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Well it used to be post modern, so it's quite dated now-in to only now be considered modern.

His work on Martha Washington also stands the test of time.

I didn't read his work on Albion and Thunderbolt Jaxon but I just looked up some of his recent covers for action comics...

http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=301483&zoom=4

http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=301484&zoom=4

http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=301485&zoom=4

It's the clothes that those people are wearing and their hair which is dated, which is true with most things to come out of the 80s which were set in the 80s. I mean, the Princess Bride is beyond fabulous, but that electronic baseball game TINY Fred Savage on his sick bed is playing just gets more and more laughable every time I watch the movie.
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Old September 13 2008, 11:33 PM   #83
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That's more the subject being drawn than the art itself. If I drew in moderne style an image of Madonna as she appeared in 1985, would the art be dated?
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Old September 24 2008, 07:44 AM   #84
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It's a bit unfair to compare Watchmen, as good as it is, to something like War and Peace. It's like comparing a really good steak dinner at your mom's house with a seven course meal at a Michelin 2-star. There is just so much more to examine and analyze in War and Peace, and I'm not just talking about the number of words in the book. Watchmen was indeed special, but not because it broke any new literary ground, it was special because it broke ground in the comic book industry. It did many things few if any comics had done before, but very little if anything others who've put pen to paper before had already done.
I consider "Watchmen" to be one of the greatest animated books that I have ever read, but it didn't necessarily break new ground for comic books around the world, but only in America.

"Heavy Metal" and Manga were already for many years way ahead of the curb.
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Old September 24 2008, 04:29 PM   #85
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"Heavy Metal" and Manga were already for many years way ahead of the curb.
If you're ahead of the curb, doesn't that put you in the gutter?
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Old September 24 2008, 04:41 PM   #86
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"Heavy Metal" and Manga were already for many years way ahead of the curb.
If you're ahead of the curb, doesn't that put you in the gutter?
If Columbus was the first to discover America....then, how do you explain all the Indians?
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Old September 26 2008, 09:30 AM   #87
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I consider "Watchmen" to be one of the greatest animated books that I have ever read, but it didn't necessarily break new ground for comic books around the world, but only in America.

"Heavy Metal" and Manga were already for many years way ahead of the curb.
Where to start?

1. It's not animated. Animated means to move.

2. It broke ground for what it did in terms of the way it deconstructed the American superhero comic, which is not what Heavy Metal or manga did. They're different beasts.

3. That's "curve", as opposed to the thing your car parks against.
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Old October 5 2008, 05:50 AM   #88
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It would be a tragedy if no one studied literature.
If no one had ever studied Shakespeare or the Greek tragedies half of the great works of our time on the page and the screen may never have been told.
Often times it is through the study of things that we don't understad that we come to have a better understanding of them.

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As for Watchmen...I haven't read many comics. But I did enjoy this one very much. I find it difficult to judge Watchmen unless you've read the entire comic because the end is a very important part of the tale.
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Old October 5 2008, 05:54 AM   #89
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Double post.

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Old October 11 2008, 03:26 PM   #90
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You HAVE to read it. Then wait a few months to chew on it, then read it again to really appreciate it.

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