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Old August 24 2008, 12:26 AM   #166
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Superman actually should have taken Luthor out a longtime ago. Nothing prevents him from doing so other than himself.
In the opinions of some, that's part of what makes Luthor a good villain, and Superman a hero.

But as I've said, while I don't agree on a 25-year moratorium, I think the next film, whatever its nature, can do without an onscreen Luthor. If they want to go all "dark and brooding", Superman's worst enemy can be himself. Have him go all Kingdom Come/Squadron Supreme, in his own little universe without other heroes around to help or stop him...he's forced to question how far somebody with his power should allow himself to go...does he need to rule the world to save it?

Or he could just fight himself in a junkyard, throw some tires and stuff. But not before he sits in a bar and breaks liquor bottles by flicking peanuts at them.
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Old August 24 2008, 01:52 AM   #167
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If the Joker was in the Marvel Universe, he would have been killed a longtime ago.
What an odd statement. Neither company is in the habit of killing off (or at least permanently killing off) popular, longstanding characters.
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Old August 24 2008, 01:59 AM   #168
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Or he could just fight himself in a junkyard, throw some tires and stuff. But not before he sits in a bar and breaks liquor bottles by flicking peanuts at them.
That was the only good thing in that piece of crap Superman III.
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Old August 24 2008, 02:25 AM   #169
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Old August 24 2008, 02:38 AM   #170
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If the Joker was in the Marvel Universe, he would have been killed a longtime ago.
What an odd statement. Neither company is in the habit of killing off (or at least permanently killing off) popular, longstanding characters.
I haven't read comics in awhile and we no one is ever truly dead, but Marvel has killed, Phoneix/Jean Grey/whoever several times and I think she is currently dead, Green Goblin used to be dead i think, Captain America is currently dead, and I am sure many others. The Joker has not been killed by anyone not even once.


Ok am I the only one on this board that like Superman III? I have never had anyone tell me they disliked Superman III in person so I am perplexed that so many people hate it. That is differently a topic we have to explore later.
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Old August 24 2008, 02:39 AM   #171
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PERRY WHITE: Martin Sheen
I really, really like that. I'm stealing it.
But will the comic book nerds cry foul that Jason Wynn is Perry White?
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Old August 24 2008, 03:18 AM   #172
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Overall, I like Superman III, too. It's flawed to be sure, but it's a fun film.
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Old August 24 2008, 03:24 AM   #173
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Overall, I like Superman III, too. It's flawed to be sure, but it's a fun film.
Agreed. I think it gets a little too much flak around the internet.
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Old August 24 2008, 04:04 AM   #174
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Overall, I like Superman III, too. It's flawed to be sure, but it's a fun film.
Agreed. I think it gets a little too much flak around the internet.
If they just edited back in Richard Pryor's potty mouth, my gods that movie would be fabulous.
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Old August 24 2008, 05:10 AM   #175
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How do you emotionally or cerebrally challenge Superman in a believable way? I don't see how in any way that truly feels "high stakes".
That's easy...put his friends in danger. He's the Man of Steel, they're not.
Well, yeah, but how do you do that in a way where it's hard for Superman to save them? The guy is almost a god. There's always kryptonite, I guess, but that gets tiresome.
Excellent point.

Let's face it...one of the problems with Superman is that he's an alien with virtually unlimited power. The average person can't really relate to him like they can Batman, Spider-Man, or the X-Men. Luthor is his arch-nemesis and a great villain but can't challenge Superman on a physical level. There's really no character that can.
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Old August 24 2008, 05:18 AM   #176
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Ok are you guys actually reading the thread? We have listed several villains that can all clean Superman's clock so please stop with this no one can challenge him angle. It just is not true.

(I blame this entirely on people thinking Luthor is his arch nemesis)

And who here really can relate to Bruce Wayne, Peter Parker, or Logan. I mean come on really? Don't see how any of them are any more identifiable than Clark Kent.
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Old August 24 2008, 05:30 AM   #177
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Well I let a burglar get away without lifting a finger to stop him, and he ended up killing my philanthropist parents. And I have claws that come out between my knuckles. So personally I can related to Bruce, Peter and Logan. But that's just me.
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Old August 24 2008, 05:51 AM   #178
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I don't want to see another Superman movie for atleast 10 years, if one comes out around 2010, it will suck because it will be rushed. Am I crazy?







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Old August 24 2008, 05:57 AM   #179
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That's easy...put his friends in danger. He's the Man of Steel, they're not.
Well, yeah, but how do you do that in a way where it's hard for Superman to save them? The guy is almost a god. There's always kryptonite, I guess, but that gets tiresome.
Excellent point.

Let's face it...one of the problems with Superman is that he's an alien with virtually unlimited power. The average person can't really relate to him like they can Batman, Spider-Man, or the X-Men. Luthor is his arch-nemesis and a great villain but can't challenge Superman on a physical level. There's really no character that can.
Um, except for Darkseid... Bizzaro... Parasite... and depending on which incarnation, Braniac. Oh and Zod. Doomsday too (as thin a character as he is)
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It's a mistake to try to make Superman 'relatable' anyway--Clark Kent is the one the audience can 'relate' to and Superman is the one the audience should aspire to. It's a really simple but effective formula that has worked for decades--one that has a mythic enough quality to be timeless.
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