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Old August 22 2008, 12:32 AM   #1
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How y'all think DS 9 (the station) would be different today

from what we last saw in WYLB 10 years ago.

Bristling w/Quantum Torpedoes and Type 13 or 14 phasers
Advanced shielding

Scrapping of the Carddy computers and interfaces?

Larger Quarks and Klingon cafe?

Better lighting?
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Old August 22 2008, 01:12 AM   #2
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Re: How y'all think DS 9 (the station) would be different today

I'd think more that Bajor would be a member of the Federation by now, and that with the only stable wormwhole in the whole known galaxy being under the absolute control of the Federation, and with the Federation having defeated the Dominion and having a PRO-Federation insider with strong sway within the Founders (Odo) that the Federation of today would be the greatest power in half the galaxy: shaping, directing, and more or less unthreatened.

The Cardassians, the Klingons, and even the Romulans would likely have to be falling in line and changing the core of their social and political philosophies. Change or perish.
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Old August 22 2008, 04:59 AM   #3
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Re: How y'all think DS 9 (the station) would be different today

Depends on how much technology has changed I guess. Maybe holograms like the EMH become more standard and the station is outfitted with holoemitters allowing a crew of holograms from doctors to engineers to wander the station and do their job.

If Bajor is part of the Federation, maybe the Feds will start or have built a new larger more powerful station to man the mouth of the wormhole. DS9 can then be moved back into Bajor's orbit and turned into a planetary defence control station/customs port for incoming traffic to Bajor.

I hope Quark isn't there anymore. I'd like to think he got his moon.
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Old August 22 2008, 06:47 PM   #4
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Re: How y'all think DS 9 (the station) would be different today

I can't really see them upgrading it too much

I'm sure that the resources involved in upgrading DS9 are needed elsewhere
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Old August 22 2008, 07:23 PM   #5
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Re: How y'all think DS 9 (the station) would be different today

After less than 10 years, I'd bet Starfleet still hasn't fully recovered from the war. So I wouldn't count on too much having changed geopolitically beyond heavily strengthened relations between the Klingons and the Federations.
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Old August 22 2008, 07:31 PM   #6
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Re: How y'all think DS 9 (the station) would be different today

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After less than 10 years, I'd bet Starfleet still hasn't fully recovered from the war. So I wouldn't count on too much having changed geopolitically beyond heavily strengthened relations between the Klingons and the Federations.
Yes, but consider their standing after the war. Despite losses, and the very brief occupation of Betazed, the Federation was highly intact. Its biggest losses were military infrastructure. Their planets, and even colonies are all still in tip-top shape and producing products and mining resources, etc. Rebuilding the fleet and restaffing Starfleet would take time, but 10 years is time enough for that.

And look at the rest of the Galaxy (well, the Alpha and Gamma Quads, anyway). Cardassia, in contrast, is in ruins. The planet, its factories, its peoples, its leaders, its everything has burned. Once a galactic power player is now rubble, and at the losing end of a war that's left them "the traitors of the alpha quadrant." They'd have no support, no allies. They'd likely be like Japan after WWII. Rebuilt in the victor's image, old philosophy thrown out and a new replaced. Ten years later, and Cardassia is likely one or two planets, and playing by Federation rules and Federation philosophy. Hell, they might even be trying to JOIN the Federation. Obsidian Order and required military service for all citizens? Dust.

The Dominion too would be pretty intact, but they'd be following Federation instructions and abiding by the terms of their surrender. Odo would likely help keep them true to their word. Federation ships would have free passage through the wormhole, new colonies would again be settled, planets allied, etc.

The Federation would span two quadrants.
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Old August 22 2008, 08:03 PM   #7
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Re: How y'all think DS 9 (the station) would be different today

I have a few problems with a few of the things you alluded to;

The Federation, by and large, took the worst that came from the war. The Klingons were certainly throwing everything they had at the Dominion and suffered devastating military losses because of it. But the Federation was the power that was the main target of the Dominion throughout the war. Practically all territorial gains by the Dominion during the first year of the war were at the expense of the Federation. It was the Federation that was having its infrastructure picked off by the Dominion, namely its fleet yards. Not to mention the attack on Earth and all of the other parts of Federation space that had been occupied (Betazed was not the only planet occupied...)

You must have been watching a different DS9 than the rest of us.

As for the Dominion, you make them sound very easily pushed over. They weren't 'pretty intact', they were totally intact. I think it's been well established that the Gamma Quadrant Dominion would have easily won the war. And with the Alpha Quadrant campaign defeated, still could have done so if the effort were made and the Prophets ceased interfering.
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Old August 24 2008, 07:57 PM   #8
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I'd think more that Bajor would be a member of the Federation by now, and that with the only stable wormwhole in the whole known galaxy being under the absolute control of the Federation, and with the Federation having defeated the Dominion and having a PRO-Federation insider with strong sway within the Founders (Odo) that the Federation of today would be the greatest power in half the galaxy: shaping, directing, and more or less unthreatened.
I wouldn't call Odo pro-Federation at all. He may be pro-Bajoran but he's not going to be a great supporter of a people who tried to commit genocide (and having him being the trigger man) and then claim that "oh we didn't do that. Section 31 did!".

I'd imagine the Dominion would still be in control of their empire (possibly allowing some trade to happen) and that their empire would have it's borders closed.
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Old August 24 2008, 10:23 PM   #9
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I wouldn't call Odo pro-Federation at all. He may be pro-Bajoran but he's not going to be a great supporter of a people who tried to commit genocide (and having him being the trigger man) and then claim that "oh we didn't do that. Section 31 did!".
An excellent point. Odo was never a big fan of the Federation, and often made comparisons between them and the Cardassian Empire. It was Bajorans he felt sympathy for. The Federation not only tried to kill him because of his race, but wanted to use him as a means of genocide. Not our most shining moment.

However...

Odo was very anti-war, and very upset and ashamed of his people's behavior. He hated the bred slavery of the Jem'Haddar, and he loathed the godlike worship of the brainwashed Vorta. The female changeling said that their epople brought order to a universe of chaos, but what Odo was always obsessed with, above order, above the law...was JUSTICE. His role as a founder would after the war would likely be a very influencing one upon his people, having saved them all. He was able to convince the female changeling with a single link to go from murderous revenge to sympathetic mercy and surrender. His impact on the Great Link after saving them all from certain death would be massive.

The Dominion would indeed maintain its empire, and Odo probably wouldn't be PRO Federation, but the Dominion would change under his guidance into a more...human...empire.
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Old August 25 2008, 02:54 AM   #10
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Re: How y'all think DS 9 (the station) would be different today

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Seriously would all the Bajoran uniforms be done away with?
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Old August 25 2008, 03:30 AM   #11
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Seriously would all the Bajoran uniforms be done away with?
Yes, they would. That Admiral said that after Bajor joined the Federation that its militia (Kira, and Odo) would need to be absorbed into Starfleet.

Given how extremely different Starfleet is from the Bajoran militia I'm not sure exactly how they'd go about doing this.
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Old August 25 2008, 03:52 AM   #12
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Re: How y'all think DS 9 (the station) would be different today

I wonder how well Federation membership will ultimately sit with the people of Bajor once they start to experience it. I'm not sure they're going to be 100% pleased with the deal, considering a) the Occupation and b) their religion, which could come into conflict with the Federation's (or at least Earth's, as the main driving force) secularism. Separation of church and state could be a major sticking point.

Has a world ever voted to pull out of the Federation? AND actually been allowed to do so?
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Old August 25 2008, 10:38 AM   #13
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IMO the Dominion woulda came by by now and obliterated the DS9 station. The new DS9 station would be one of those boring standard-issue Fed ones. Presuming they were able to even get a new one up, which IMO they wouldn't be able to because the Dominion problem wouldn't be taken care of so soon.
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Old August 25 2008, 11:00 AM   #14
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At the end of "WYLB", we are left wondering whether the wormhole will ever be of any use again.

If there wasn't actual Dominion space at the other end in the beginning, there surely is Dominion space there at the end of the war. Alphans would definitely not be welcome there. There's no indication that the Dominion would have made any concessions when agreeing to end the war, and no proof that any ships would be allowed through the wormhole in either direction ever again, after Odo was delivered and Kira allowed to return.

With the wormhole closed for good, who would be interested in the Bajoran system any more? Perhaps it could serve as a base for rebuilding Cardassia, but apart from that, it might regress back to a spiritually acclaimed but otherwise uninteresting backwater where nothing much happens. DS9 might be towed back to Bajoran orbit to serve as a spaceport, seeing little cargo traffic and fewer visitors of note.

Also, the Federation might lose interest in Bajor's membership, and Bajor might never have had much interest anyway. Starfleet might withdraw for good, or then leave behind a token blockade, like the ineffective asteroid fortresses around Romulus in "Balance of Terror".

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