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Old August 18 2008, 09:10 PM   #16
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Re: Generation Kill

Well, BoB feels like a clean, Hollywood version of war compared to the depiction in Generation Kill - and that's saying something, given that in the genre of WW2 film/television fiction, BoB was pretty damn good.

I mean, I look at the way men talk to each other in the GK and the way they talk to each other in BoB and BoB feels so clean and sanitized. At the end of the latest episode of GK, they pretty much explain why men will do everything possible to undermine each other, even though they consider them their "brothers". So people are calling each other all kinds of shit that in any other context would be considered racist, sexist and homophobic.
In Band of Brothers, the only time it even becomes an issue is when one of the characters calls another a Jew. But then it's completely dropped.
I'm not saying living in the 40s automatically means you're a KKK member, but really? I'm sure back then people had more colourful language that "fairy".

Just these small touches make it feel like the show is about a group of men working together in a shitty situation. It's the deal same with Gunner Palace, if you've seen that.

Incidentally, it's why de Palma's Redacted feels contrived. I mean, the film itself is meant to be contrived, but the way the characters are written... well, GK feels like a Wright sat there and transcribed every word said by the marines in Iraq and Redacted feels like it was written by a scriptwriter.
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Old August 19 2008, 02:10 AM   #17
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Re: Generation Kill

Here's the last thread, although I don't mind the new one.

It has what? One, two episodes left? It's been really cool so far. Things have slowed down, since it's clear that their intended mission (well, as intended as it was in light of things getting messed up) is coming to an end. I still thought last episode was pretty good, but there hasn't been a bad episode in the entire miniseries.
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Old August 19 2008, 03:08 AM   #18
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Next week is the finale, ending in Baghdad proper.
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Old August 19 2008, 01:51 PM   #19
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Totally agree that the GK feels more real than BoB. I think the greatest thing about GK is that it makes an effort to show all the sides. It shows soldiers bitching, like really bitching and you can't help but emphasize for them and realize how stupid command is. But when you read the book, it gives you the full picture of the strategy of what they were doing and why Mattias chose Recon to do what he asked them to do.

I think doing a realistic version of BoB just won't work b/c in our minds we have this crisp version, this "Greatest Generation" ever. That understood what they were doing etc. I'm pretty sure soldiers were bitching to about getting into a war for Kings and Old Europe.

Personally I feel that the "Greatest Generation" is the new breed of men and women who are serving their country right now. Being called upon to wage a never ending war. With incomptentant political leaders, powerful companies waging war for money, broken homes and a broken country. Yet they still go out there give it their all and ask nothing for in return.
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Old August 19 2008, 08:07 PM   #20
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I JUST hope they took a lot of 'dramatic license' with it because IF C%C was that incompotent or suicidely 'Gung-Ho' (Godfather sending Humvees against armor etc. because he wants to be sure his batallion is 'in the fight'); I pray our (the U.S.) armed forces don't have that many idiots in charge of deadly battlefield operations.

Bit as far as the way it's been presented; it's very good and I like that they don't talk down to the viewing audience (you don't see they non-sensically explaining every military term they use during an episode, for example).

But either way, it's interesting.
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Old August 19 2008, 10:31 PM   #21
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Well, if you believe Wikipedia, apparently it's required reading for officers in training now; the idea being that the officers need to learn how to work with NCOs better.
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Old August 19 2008, 11:24 PM   #22
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I JUST hope they took a lot of 'dramatic license' with it because IF C%C was that incompotent or suicidely 'Gung-Ho' (Godfather sending Humvees against armor etc. because he wants to be sure his batallion is 'in the fight'); I pray our (the U.S.) armed forces don't have that many idiots in charge of deadly battlefield operations.

Bit as far as the way it's been presented; it's very good and I like that they don't talk down to the viewing audience (you don't see they non-sensically explaining every military term they use during an episode, for example).

But either way, it's interesting.
It's the truth. Read Generation Kill the book, which the show was based on. Mattias was a new breed of Generations who believed in doing things unconventionally. Hence Force Recon being chosen to do what they did.
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Old August 19 2008, 11:40 PM   #23
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Well, then there's the thing of Rudy Reyes playing himself... so, I'm sure he had a say.
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Old August 20 2008, 01:21 AM   #24
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I JUST hope they took a lot of 'dramatic license' with it because IF C%C was that incompotent or suicidely 'Gung-Ho' (Godfather sending Humvees against armor etc. because he wants to be sure his batallion is 'in the fight'); I pray our (the U.S.) armed forces don't have that many idiots in charge of deadly battlefield operations.

Bit as far as the way it's been presented; it's very good and I like that they don't talk down to the viewing audience (you don't see they non-sensically explaining every military term they use during an episode, for example).

But either way, it's interesting.
Evan Wright mentioned that, although, in the book, there's a lot of criticisms of Godfather, if you asked anyone in the battalion afterwards if he was a good commander, they would answer yes.
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Old August 21 2008, 02:37 AM   #25
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Re: Generation Kill

I just saw something.... disturbing. Very disturbing.

In the episode before the finale, at the end Brad shoots an Iraqi who is gonna try to kill them. After he fires his weapon, he moves his selector switch - you would assume to safe. But the thing is, he moves it TO the firing position FROM the safety position.

This is a serious continuity area.
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Old August 21 2008, 06:26 AM   #26
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Isn't up the safety position?

But then again - and I just noticed this - when you tag a thread with "guns, killing, war", maybe I shouldn't ask.
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Old August 21 2008, 06:28 AM   #27
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I've seen a couple of episodes, but not from the beginning so my comments might not be totally fair.

On the one hand, I like the interaction between the Marines and from what I have read, it is not inaccurate. The cast is pretty good and it is something to see the rather frightening efficiency of what current weapons can do.

On the other hand, I get a slight impression of the people behind the show seem to be slathering on that old 'Nam' aspect to the show. Episode I saw last night even had them singing that 'What are We Fighting For' song from the 60s and they keep throwing the old 'soldier as the baby killer' thing at the audience. I have not read the book, but some things, like the Marine officer inviting his men to openly critique him (in the field no less) felt like a Hollywood contrivance to me.
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Old August 21 2008, 06:36 AM   #28
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That whole Whopper Jr. thing was meant more to develop Walt's character than it was an examination of Twombly. It's probably the only character development that character will get though... and I guess that makes sense. Of everyone in the show, Brad, Ray and Twombly are the most interesting characters.
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Old August 21 2008, 03:47 PM   #29
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Isn't up the safety position?

But then again - and I just noticed this - when you tag a thread with "guns, killing, war", maybe I shouldn't ask.
**goes to look at his**

No. Flat pointing out is safe. Up is single shot. Pointing back is either 3 shot burst or full auto, depending on your mode. Unfortunatly, as mine is civilian, I only have the first two positions.
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Church was good.

Anyone watching the Generation Kill finale?
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