RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 139,666
Posts: 5,429,206
Members: 24,817
Currently online: 432
Newest member: 118_Larson


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Entertainment & Interests > TV & Media

TV & Media Non-Trek television, movies, books, music, etc.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old July 17 2008, 08:40 AM   #1
Seven of Five
Commodore
 
Seven of Five's Avatar
 
Location: Staffordshire, UK
The Wire

I just finished watching the first season and I'm still scraping my from off the floor. The show is beautifully constructed. Every scene is just dialogue between excellent characters, with occasional background music that mostly derives from car radios.

The first few episodes may have been a little hard to follow; I certainly lost track of a few of Barksdale's gang's nicknames. As soon as the characters are set up and the plot is in motion though, the show just wouldn't put me down. Excellent writing, excellent acting; there wasn't one bad episode. All of the characters had gone through some sort of arc by the end. Why haven't I watched this sooner?

I'm looking forward to season 2. Who else loves this show?
__________________
Other prisons do Shakespeare and shit. I want to play a role, like Desdemona or Ophelia or Clair Huxtable.
Seven of Five is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 17 2008, 12:29 PM   #2
Goliath
Vice Admiral
 
Goliath's Avatar
 
Location: The Fifth Dimension
Re: The Wire

*Raises hand*

Can't wait for the final DVD set.
__________________
An illusion--with intelligence! A malignant vision, with a will of pure evil!
Goliath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 17 2008, 12:34 PM   #3
Roger Wilco
Admiral
 
Roger Wilco's Avatar
 
Re: The Wire

Absolutely. Without exaggerating, The Wire is the single best show ever on television. From start to finish. Why this show didn't get more critical acclaim (and better viewership) is simply mind-boggling to me.
__________________
Don't be a douche.
Roger Wilco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 17 2008, 12:39 PM   #4
mimic
Rear Admiral
 
mimic's Avatar
 
Location: Virginia
Re: The Wire

I've seen Season 1-4 and cannot wait to get Season 5. I'd never heard of this show until Newsweek did a piece on it back in January, but was interested enough to check it out. It has, without doubt, become my favorite show and I suspect that will not ever change. McNulty, Bunk, Lester, Bubbles, D'Angelo, Stringer, Omar, Bodie - I love these guys.
__________________
"Freeze Ray. Tell your friends." - Dr. Horrible

"And since I do not go into nuclear reactor cores I am free to trouble my brain over artificial sweeteners." - Goji
mimic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 17 2008, 12:44 PM   #5
Roger Wilco
Admiral
 
Roger Wilco's Avatar
 
Re: The Wire

^^

__________________
Don't be a douche.

Last edited by Roger Wilco; July 17 2008 at 12:54 PM.
Roger Wilco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 17 2008, 12:46 PM   #6
mimic
Rear Admiral
 
mimic's Avatar
 
Location: Virginia
Re: The Wire

Hehe, yeah. There are many I like from later seasons but didn't want to spoil anybody.
__________________
"Freeze Ray. Tell your friends." - Dr. Horrible

"And since I do not go into nuclear reactor cores I am free to trouble my brain over artificial sweeteners." - Goji
mimic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 17 2008, 12:53 PM   #7
Roger Wilco
Admiral
 
Roger Wilco's Avatar
 
Re: The Wire

Yeah, I thought about using spoiler tags, but is just mentioning names spoilerish? If so, I'm sorry. Or I'll just edit my post.
__________________
Don't be a douche.
Roger Wilco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 17 2008, 02:06 PM   #8
Goliath
Vice Admiral
 
Goliath's Avatar
 
Location: The Fifth Dimension
Re: The Wire

Roger Wilco wrote: View Post
Why this show didn't get more critical acclaim (and better viewership) is simply mind-boggling to me.


I was under the impression that the show was highly acclaimed by critics. It was recently voted the eleventh best TV show of all time in some list or other.

As for why it didn't get a better viewership--well, not everybody likes cop shows. What's more, I think it may have failed to appeal to much of the cop-show audience by being:

1. Too realistic. I think most people watch TV to escape from reality, not to have their faces plunged into it.
2. Too downbeat. See above.
3. Too complex. The whole "novel-for-television" idea works great if you follow the show closely from the beginning, but it must discourage casual, drop-in viewers.
4. Too slow. The show really takes its time--something which is going to appeal to some people, but not others. It may simply demand a greater investment than most viewers are prepared to make.

(Having recently re-watched it from the beginning to the end of Season Five, I realized that The Shield has also tried to follow a "novel for television" format--but livens things up with a lot of slam-bang action and "cases of the week" to draw in casual viewers. Raymond Chandler once said that when he didn't know how to continue a story, he had someone bust into the room with a gun. The Shield does something very similar.)

5. Too dialogue-heavy. It's a very talky show. And yet, at the same time, it's...
6. Too masculine. The Wire has--what--one main female character--a black lesbian detective?
7. Too black. Season Two is sometimes called "the white season," because of the docker storyline. (It's worth mentioning that this storyline was mostly edited out when the season was shown on BET. So it seems it's not just white folks who prefer to watch people like themselves)
__________________
An illusion--with intelligence! A malignant vision, with a will of pure evil!
Goliath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 17 2008, 02:34 PM   #9
The Squire of Gothos
Rear Admiral
 
The Squire of Gothos's Avatar
 
Location: Northern Ireland
Re: The Wire

VirginMedia finished showing the first season on their onDemand service not too long ago. I had to rush viewing it a little to see the whole season, but I was impressed. It was interesting, even if you had to try a lot harder than with other shows to remember who was who.

The Times had a small feature in their Sunday supplement on it a few weeks ago, they mention one of my favourite scenes from the first season, the explanation of how chess works, for the guys in the projects.
__________________
The Squire of Gothos
The Squire of Gothos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 17 2008, 06:56 PM   #10
sidious618
Admiral
 
sidious618's Avatar
 
Location: New York, US
Send a message via AIM to sidious618
Re: The Wire

I'm rewatching the show now in anticipation of getting the final DVD set (even though I watched it when it aired).

The show is amazing, no question about it. I feel that it gets better each and every season.
__________________
We've met before, haven't we?
sidious618 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old July 17 2008, 07:13 PM   #11
Seven of Five
Commodore
 
Seven of Five's Avatar
 
Location: Staffordshire, UK
Re: The Wire

I'm glad I'm off work this week, I've been able to make my way up to the fifth episode of the second season. I'm not sure how many storylines/characters are running concurrently at this point but I'm interested in each and every one of them. It's possible that I'm spoiling myself a bit in regards to the speed at which I'm watching it, though it should calm down a bit when I'm back in on Sunday.

To whoever mentioned it - the chess explanation from season one is a classic scene, which I realise may be hyperbole at this early part in the show's run for me. Nevertheless, comparing the centuries-old game with the projects was sublime.
__________________
Other prisons do Shakespeare and shit. I want to play a role, like Desdemona or Ophelia or Clair Huxtable.
Seven of Five is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 17 2008, 08:44 PM   #12
Star Wolf
Rear Admiral
 
Star Wolf's Avatar
 
Location: ciudad de Los Angeles
Re: The Wire

Camelopard wrote: View Post
Roger Wilco wrote: View Post
Why this show didn't get more critical acclaim (and better viewership) is simply mind-boggling to me.


I was under the impression that the show was highly acclaimed by critics. It was recently voted the eleventh best TV show of all time in some list or other.

As for why it didn't get a better viewership--well, not everybody likes cop shows. What's more, I think it may have failed to appeal to much of the cop-show audience by being:

1. Too realistic. I think most people watch TV to escape from reality, not to have their faces plunged into it.
2. Too downbeat. See above.
3. Too complex. The whole 'novel-for-television' idea works great if you follow the show closely from the beginning, but it must discourage casual, drop-in viewers.
4. Too slow. The show really takes its time--something which is going to appeal to some people, but not others. It may simply demand a greater investment than most viewers are prepared to make.

(Having recently re-watched it from the beginning to the end of Season Five, I realized that The Shield has also tried to follow a 'novel for television' format--but livens things up with a lot of slam-bang action and 'cases of the week' to draw in casual viewers. Raymond Chandler once said that when he didn't know how to continue a story, he had someone bust into the room with a gun. The Shield does something very similar.)
Those probably are the main reason. When Lt Danials and McNulty stops the SWAT team and Avon and Stringer don't pull out machine guns to go down fighting the casual audirence feels cheated.

Until something better shows up its still my all time favorite. When I pull out the DVD the wife rolls her eyes.
__________________
I'm not crazy! All I Really Need to Know I learned by Watching The Wire
Star Wolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 17 2008, 09:11 PM   #13
Temis the Vorta
Fleet Admiral
 
Temis the Vorta's Avatar
 
Location: Tatoinne
Re: The Wire

I tried watching S1 on DVD and gave up after three or four episodes. Yes, it's very high quality but I'm so completely uninterested in the inner workings of police bureaucracy that I just found I didn't care about any of the characters and when I don't care about that, my interest goes right out the window. I liked The Corner by the same writer/producer so maybe if he'd focused more on the drug dealers, I'd have preferred that? Every time they switched to the squabbling cops, my attention started to wander. Then again, cop shows are a tough sell for me; it's a wildly overexposed topic.

Maybe someday I'll give it another shot. In the meantime I have my hands (and Netflix queue) full catching up on Mad Men, Dexter, Six Feet Under and eventually The Sopranos.
Temis the Vorta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 17 2008, 10:14 PM   #14
Star Wolf
Rear Admiral
 
Star Wolf's Avatar
 
Location: ciudad de Los Angeles
Re: The Wire

Temis the Vorta wrote: View Post
I tried watching S1 on DVD and gave up after three or four episodes. Yes, it's very high quality but I'm so completely uninterested in the inner workings of police bureaucracy that I just found I didn't care about any of the characters and when I don't care about that, my interest goes right out the window. I liked The Corner by the same writer/producer so maybe if he'd focused more on the drug dealers, I'd have preferred that? Every time they switched to the squabbling cops, my attention started to wander. Then again, cop shows are a tough sell for me; it's a wildly overexposed topic.

Maybe someday I'll give it another shot. In the meantime I have my hands (and Netflix queue) full catching up on Mad Men, Dexter, Six Feet Under and eventually The Sopranos.
Well I guess the thing is the he already made The Corner and with the Wire explored more then the Corner Boys. It also looked at the dying middle class workers way of life, the professional candidates, media and public education classes.

But the Pit boys who moved to the Corners were the core of the show. From Dee giving chess lessons to his lieutenants as Bodie understands his status as a corner boy, to the first loss the audience cares about more then a just another red name on Homicide's board. 'Where's Wallace, String?' We saw how Wallace lived and beside the chance that he might 'get got' by a Chris or Snoop we understood he lived no better, no worse, then a Foot Locker salesman. We get to see McNulty's and our astonishment on how String lived because the kingpin's life had not been shown. And during the last season when we get a series of cameos to close the stories on many of the characters over the years I saw a shoe salesman and thought 'what about Wallace'.
__________________
I'm not crazy! All I Really Need to Know I learned by Watching The Wire
Star Wolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 18 2008, 02:45 AM   #15
Tomato
Rear Admiral
 
Location: T.O. in Canada eh!
Re: The Wire

Camelopard wrote: View Post
Roger Wilco wrote: View Post
Why this show didn't get more critical acclaim (and better viewership) is simply mind-boggling to me.
7. Too black. Season Two is sometimes called "the white season," because of the docker storyline. (It's worth mentioning that this storyline was mostly edited out when the season was shown on BET. So it seems it's not just white folks who prefer to watch people like themselves)
QFT. Too many black people. The EP's mentioned that it is ridiculous about how many quality black actors they found and how TV can't seem to even have a couple of token black people.

The acting in this show is heads above anything on TV. I easily put it the best TV series I have ever seen. Better than the West Wing, better than B5. Without giving too much spoilers there was a scene in S3 which was borderline shakespeare and the Wire going in S2 with that story line was the best decision and shows how daring they are.

Even the emmy's snubbed it which makes sense but truly a shame. I hope that Generation Kill gets more viewers.
Tomato is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
the wire

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:10 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.