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Old July 18 2008, 01:31 PM   #106
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My son went to see it at midnight, and I really wanted to go with him. Couldn't swing the costs (as in sleep and work I'd miss), though. In any event, he said it was "awesome!", that Ledger's performance was everything it'd been hyped to be both in quality and being disturbing. Makes me wish I had gone to see it, now.

Here's a question, one I know has been asked before in this forum. Since the Joker does not die in this film, but the actor who took him to such heights has, what is the likelihood for another Batman movie with a different actro playing Joker?
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Old July 18 2008, 02:34 PM   #107
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My son went to see it at midnight, and I really wanted to go with him. Couldn't swing the costs (as in sleep and work I'd miss), though. In any event, he said it was "awesome!", that Ledger's performance was everything it'd been hyped to be both in quality and being disturbing. Makes me wish I had gone to see it, now.

Here's a question, one I know has been asked before in this forum. Since the Joker does not die in this film, but the actor who took him to such heights has, what is the likelihood for another Batman movie with a different actro playing Joker?
I can't see them re-casting the part a la Gylenhaal. I think they should just do some sort of shadowy vocal cameo. Have a siloette of a guy in a cell in Arkham, you can't see him, but you hear the laugh. Elude to his being alive, but leave him as Heath. But that's just me.
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Old July 18 2008, 02:52 PM   #108
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I can't see them re-casting the part a la Gylenhaal. I think they should just do some sort of shadowy vocal cameo. Have a siloette of a guy in a cell in Arkham, you can't see him, but you hear the laugh. Elude to his being alive, but leave him as Heath. But that's just me.
That's an intriguing idea.... It will be interesting to see how I feel about all of this when I do get to see the film.
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Old July 18 2008, 03:00 PM   #109
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Wow, a movie loved by critics that'll also make an ungodly amount of money. Man, how often does that happen?

Plan on hitting a 9:30AM showing after work on Saturday. Hopefully there'll still be a good crowd, but without so many annoying teenages talking and texting during the movie.
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Old July 18 2008, 03:07 PM   #110
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My son went to see it at midnight, and I really wanted to go with him. Couldn't swing the costs (as in sleep and work I'd miss), though. In any event, he said it was "awesome!", that Ledger's performance was everything it'd been hyped to be both in quality and being disturbing. Makes me wish I had gone to see it, now.

Here's a question, one I know has been asked before in this forum. Since the Joker does not die in this film, but the actor who took him to such heights has, what is the likelihood for another Batman movie with a different actro playing Joker?
Wussy. My bed hit the pillow at 3AM and My alarm went off at 7AM. Actually, I need to get ready now.
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Old July 18 2008, 03:17 PM   #111
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Now that I got some sleep a few random thoughts about the movie:

Heath Ledger will win an Oscar for his role as the Joker. His performance alone made it 80-90% likely he would win, but the sympathy vote will make it 100% certain.

You really need to see this movie a couple of times. The pace is frantic and relentless. I feel like I missed a lot in my first viewing and I never left my seat in the theater.

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Old July 18 2008, 03:21 PM   #112
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Looks like I'm headed out to a matinee showing this afternoon!
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Old July 18 2008, 03:23 PM   #113
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Looks like I'm headed out to a matinee showing this afternoon!
That's more like it!
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Old July 18 2008, 03:28 PM   #114
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I plan to see it today and I'm gonna stay until the end of the closing credits. I want to see Brandon Routh's cameo where he shows up as Clark Kent and tells Bruce that he's putting together a team.

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Old July 18 2008, 03:36 PM   #115
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Well, that was thoroughly enjoyable. My only real complaint is with the China subplot, as it added 20 minutes to the movie and never contributed anything of real value to the movie.

Well, the "cell phones become sonar" thing was pretty stupid, too.
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Old July 18 2008, 03:41 PM   #116
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Also, as a note so no one has to stay to the end, there is nothing at the end of the credits. Great music throughout, but no tidbit at the end.
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Yeah, in the wake of Ironman, everyone is staying until the credits end just in case. LOL. I did, but just because I didn't feel like fighting the whordes of fleeing teenagers.
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Old July 18 2008, 03:53 PM   #118
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Looks like I'm headed out to a matinee showing this afternoon!
That's more like it!
The timing is perfect. I'm in between projects at work, and my client surely doesn't mind being spared the 4 hours of billable time.
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Old July 18 2008, 04:07 PM   #119
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On a spur of the moment whim I went to a Midnight showing of this last night, it was a fun theater experience. More of a mad house and not quite the "pleasant" and community experience I've had at other late-night/special showings of movies (at one point I actually jumped up on a bench, yelled at the crowd of people pushing toward the door because the theater girl had positioned herself there as if she was going to open the rope. I yelled at the crowd and ordered them to re-form the "line" we had and told the theater girl to check tickets as people walk in as a form of "crowd"/rush control.) But I did chat with a nice guy in the seat next to me inside about many things. It was a nice time, but not the "best theater experience" I had. It was a mad house, really once everyone was inside and rushing around. But I've often had problems at that theater they're not good at managing things, often being staffed by a bunch of teenagers. But, anyway, that's neither here nor there.

(Batman) The Dark Knight

Much has been built up and discussed about this movie in the past few months. It has been hyped up to extraordinary levels, more than any movie since I'd probably say the Star Wars PT -possibly as far back as TPM and usually when a movie gets this hyped up it's hard for it to live up to such expectations as it invariably ends up as a disappointment (Star Wars PT, again, I look at you) well, TDK goes right up to those expectations, beats it up, stuffs a grenade in its mouth, kicks it again and keeps on going.

Ok... that's probably a bit much. But it certainly lives up to those expectations, whether it exceeds them is probably personal choice. I had not such powerful expectations. I expected a very good movie but not the second Coming that some put this up there as.

As I've said elsewhere this has been a fantastic Summer for movies, a look at my signature tells you what I've thought of every movie I've seen this Summer (it's worth pointing out that I've a very forgiving grading scale. Many of you may know how I feel about last year's Transformers and even that scored an "impressive" C or C- for me) and TDK continues this trend that will likely continue through X-Files and The Mummy.

The Dark Knight may be one of the best comic-to-film movies to come around in a long, long, time if not THE best. It's as much a "movie" as it is a "comic-book movie." There's a couple niggling little problems I had with it (I still don't like it when Bale forces his "Batman voice" and there's a couple little head scratching moments that I have that I'll get into late in the thread) but neither were enough to really fully take me out of this movie.

Everything you've heard about Ledger's performance doesn't do him justice. This Joker is menacing, unstable, chaotic, and a whole thesaurus of words for "criminally fucking insane." This is a guy who'd have Charles Manson looking at him and saying, "Dude! How many birds are on THIS guy's antenna?"

He steals the show, and for the most part the movie focus a lot on him. Best Supporting Actor? In this movie such a nomination would be a better fit for Christian Bale. This is Ledger's/Joker's movie and he delivers .

Forget Jack. Forget Cesar Romero. Heath Ledger is THE JOKER. The might as well never use the Joker again in any other Batman project because NO ONE can play him again and do it justice.

Aaron Eckhart is great as Harvey Dent/Two-Face. I actually smiled and clapped when he pulled out his one-sided coin to make a fate-based decision and the CGI/Make-up work on him when he finally does become Two-Face is awesome, frightening, and makes Tommy Lee Jones' make-up look like a kid's mask. Fantastic stuff!

And this brings us to Maggie Gyllenhhal (or whatever) as Rachael Dawes. I've made no secret about how much I love this woman as an actress and on a physical level and she's no slouch here. She does a wonderful job, is a much better fit in her role in the "love triangle" and a better match for Eckhart and Bale. Katie Holmes would NOT have worked here.

The other secondary cast, Caine (Alfred), Freeman (Fox) and Oldman (Gordon) all do very good jobs and I also smiled and clapped a bit when Oldman's character met his destiny.

The action scenes are very well done, choreographed and paced and I'm not sure what more there is to say. This is a fantastic, fantastic, awesome movie.

It knocks Iron Man off my top spot for the summer, but only slightly, and receives an A+ from me. (A 98.9% A+ to Iron Man's 97.9% A+).

If you can tickets go see this sucker as soon as you can.

At least see it before The Rapture occurs.



Oh, and there's no post-credits bit either so unless you want to watch the credits there's no need to sit through them. I was disappointed, though, that Ledger's dedication doesn't appear until "deep" into the credits rather in the front of the movie or in front of the credits.
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Old July 18 2008, 05:10 PM   #120
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Now that I got some sleep a few random thoughts about the movie:

Heath Ledger will win an Oscar for his role as the Joker. His performance alone made it 80-90% likely he would win, but the sympathy vote will make it 100% certain.

You really need to see this movie a couple of times. The pace is frantic and relentless. I feel like I missed a lot in my first viewing and I never left my seat in the theater.

For me, Rachel was much more of a weak spot in this movie than in Begins. Honestly, I thnk Holmes did a better job with the character, bringing a little underlying intensity to her and her passion for her work that Gyllenhaal lacked. Rachel was far more underwritten in this story, but the dynamic between her and Bruce is underlined I think in her line, "Don't make me your one hope for normal life." While it's obvious in both stories that Bruce loves her, there's a sense that he's trying very hard to be in love with her, to believe that he's capable of such a thing, that he has a reason to lay down the mask - something to live for besides Batman. But it's not real, because he doesn't believe in anything as much. There's nothing, even Rachel, that he's willing to go as far for. This is one of the strengths of TDK that all this material subtext and part of Bale's incredibly nuanced and subtle portrayal.
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