The Dark Knight - Grading & Discussion - Page 56

cultcross · July 30 2008, 12:20 PM

I missed the pants/pads thing in dialogue, but i figured it out from context. I didn't find Batman hard to understand, just a bit grating - the voice has much more screentime in this film than Begins.
The only dialogue I really completely missed was Gordon' final speech. The music was so frigging loud I barely caught a word. Anyone got approximately what he said?

Bob The Skutter · July 30 2008, 12:34 PM

cultcross wrote:

I missed the pants/pads thing in dialogue, but i figured it out from context. I didn't find Batman hard to understand, just a bit grating - the voice has much more screentime in this film than Begins.
The only dialogue I really completely missed was Gordon' final speech. The music was so frigging loud I barely caught a word. Anyone got approximately what he said?

Something along the lines of "He has to run, because we have to chase him. He's the hero Gotham deserves, just not the one it needs right now. So we'll chase him, and he'll fight, because he can do those things, he's not it's shining hero, he's it's Dark Knight."

cultcross · July 30 2008, 01:16 PM

^ Cheers. That sounds a bit... cheesy

I'm seeing it again next week, I'll listen hard

JacksonArcher · July 30 2008, 01:19 PM

^That's because that's not the actual lines spoken. Similar, but not exact.

archeryguy1701 · July 30 2008, 04:33 PM

"He has to run because we have to chase him. He's the hero that Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now ... and so we'll hunt him ... because he can take it ... because he's not a hero... he's a silent guardian, a watchful protector... a Dark Knight."

Trekker4747 · July 30 2008, 07:48 PM

I understand doing a different voice for Batman than for Bruce, but why make it so hyper growly? Wouldn't it of been easier, beter, and more tolerable to just LOWER his voice?

archeryguy1701 · July 31 2008, 12:01 AM

As far as an in-universe explination, I think it has something to do with the suit because even after he was gassed by Scarecrow in BB, he was still really growly when he called for help, and I don't think I've heard him not be growly when he is suitted up with his mask.

Aragorn · July 31 2008, 12:30 AM

I watched it again at a different theater. And again the music at the end practically drowned out Gordon's dialog. I hope they fix that for the DVD.

Also, did it sound like they did some post-production work to the Batman voice in a couple scenes?

Harvey · July 31 2008, 12:48 AM

^^
A couple of scenes? Batman's voice was processed, as far as I can tell, in every scene of the movie. And, watching Batman Begins one night and The Dark Knight the next, it seemed more extreme in the latter to me.

Crystalline Entity · July 31 2008, 01:08 AM

I have a question: presumably Joker's original plan was to kill Dent (like he killed Surillo and Loeb). When did he switch from that to seducing him to the dark side, so to speak? I mean, that was his original plan in response to Dent allowing himself to be locked away - to kill Dent, and possibly Batman, until he realized they were different.

I got a sense from the interrogation scene that he was trying to do the same to Batman, so in a sense he was in a can't-lose situation: either Dent dies, as planned (hehe), or Rachel dies, which possibly drives both Batman and Dent over the edge. Maybe he literally made it up on the fly when he walked into Dent's room at the hospital? In a sense, that was also a can't-lose situation: either Dent does not shoot him, in which case the Joker goes free and Dent is forced to agonize over the fact that he didn't avenge Rachel's death; or if Dent does kill Joker, he is automatically brought down to his level. Instead, his seduction actually works, and had Two-Face's crimes been revealed, the Joker would have won the war.

Sorry for rambling. To repeat: when did Joker plan to turn Harvey Dent askew? Any insights would be welcome. Thanks!

archeryguy1701 · July 31 2008, 01:18 AM

^I think it was an act of opportunity- "Oh look, Harvey is alive, mutilated, and has lost the love of his life. Let's see how this works out..."

nx1701g · July 31 2008, 02:41 AM

The novel suggests that The Joker had always intended to break Harvey down. He went after Dent because, compared to Batman and Gordon, he was the weakest of the three.

Emh · July 31 2008, 04:41 PM

I think part of the point of The Joker is that he has an overall plan of complete chaos, but he's perfectly willing to go with the flow and improvise.

cultcross · July 31 2008, 05:47 PM

Hirogen Alpha wrote:

^^
A couple of scenes? Batman's voice was processed, as far as I can tell, in every scene of the movie. And, watching Batman Begins one night and The Dark Knight the next, it seemed more extreme in the latter to me.

According to info from the production team, its a natural voice done by Bale, born of hating the suit with a passion. Tweaked, I reckon, in a few areas for a bit of an 'echo' effect, but the base voice is Bale's.

The Borgified Corpse · July 31 2008, 06:31 PM

I love that when an actor uses their own irritation with some aspect of production to inform the character. Supposedly, a lot of the irritation in Garak's voice came from Andrew Robinson's intense discomfort in the Cardassian make-up.

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July 30 2008, 12:20 PM	#826
cultcross Runner Location: United Kingdom	Re: The Dark Knight - Grading & Discussion I missed the pants/pads thing in dialogue, but i figured it out from context. I didn't find Batman hard to understand, just a bit grating - the voice has much more screentime in this film than Begins. The only dialogue I really completely missed was Gordon' final speech. The music was so frigging loud I barely caught a word. Anyone got approximately what he said? __________________ This post terminates here. Please do not attempt to board.

July 30 2008, 01:16 PM	#828
cultcross Runner Location: United Kingdom	Re: The Dark Knight - Grading & Discussion ^ Cheers. That sounds a bit... cheesy I'm seeing it again next week, I'll listen hard __________________ This post terminates here. Please do not attempt to board.

July 30 2008, 01:19 PM	#829
JacksonArcher Vice Admiral	Re: The Dark Knight - Grading & Discussion ^That's because that's not the actual lines spoken. Similar, but not exact. __________________ Bane: "When Gotham is ashes... you have my permission to die." - The Dark Knight Rises

July 30 2008, 04:33 PM	#830
archeryguy1701 Rear Admiral Location: Cheyenne, WY	Re: The Dark Knight - Grading & Discussion "He has to run because we have to chase him. He's the hero that Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now ... and so we'll hunt him ... because he can take it ... because he's not a hero... he's a silent guardian, a watchful protector... a Dark Knight." __________________ "If it weren't for stupid, difficult races, there'd simply be no point to living." Sometimes you just gotta roll the hard six- Bill Adama

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July 30 2008, 07:48 PM	#831
Trekker4747 To boldly go... Location: Kansas City	Re: The Dark Knight - Grading & Discussion I understand doing a different voice for Batman than for Bruce, but why make it so hyper growly? Wouldn't it of been easier, beter, and more tolerable to just LOWER his voice? __________________ Just because it's futuristic doesn't mean it's practical.

July 31 2008, 12:01 AM	#832
archeryguy1701 Rear Admiral Location: Cheyenne, WY	Re: The Dark Knight - Grading & Discussion As far as an in-universe explination, I think it has something to do with the suit because even after he was gassed by Scarecrow in BB, he was still really growly when he called for help, and I don't think I've heard him not be growly when he is suitted up with his mask. __________________ "If it weren't for stupid, difficult races, there'd simply be no point to living." Sometimes you just gotta roll the hard six- Bill Adama

July 31 2008, 12:30 AM	#833
Aragorn Admiral	Re: The Dark Knight - Grading & Discussion I watched it again at a different theater. And again the music at the end practically drowned out Gordon's dialog. I hope they fix that for the DVD. Also, did it sound like they did some post-production work to the Batman voice in a couple scenes?

July 31 2008, 12:48 AM	#834
Harvey Admiral	Re: The Dark Knight - Grading & Discussion ^^ A couple of scenes? Batman's voice was processed, as far as I can tell, in every scene of the movie. And, watching Batman Begins one night and The Dark Knight the next, it seemed more extreme in the latter to me. __________________ "What do you hear, Starbuck?" "Nothing but the rain, sir." "Then grab your gun and bring in the cat."

July 31 2008, 01:08 AM	#835
Crystalline Entity Lieutenant	Re: The Dark Knight - Grading & Discussion I have a question: presumably Joker's original plan was to kill Dent (like he killed Surillo and Loeb). When did he switch from that to seducing him to the dark side, so to speak? I mean, that was his original plan in response to Dent allowing himself to be locked away - to kill Dent, and possibly Batman, until he realized they were different. I got a sense from the interrogation scene that he was trying to do the same to Batman, so in a sense he was in a can't-lose situation: either Dent dies, as planned (hehe), or Rachel dies, which possibly drives both Batman and Dent over the edge. Maybe he literally made it up on the fly when he walked into Dent's room at the hospital? In a sense, that was also a can't-lose situation: either Dent does not shoot him, in which case the Joker goes free and Dent is forced to agonize over the fact that he didn't avenge Rachel's death; or if Dent does kill Joker, he is automatically brought down to his level. Instead, his seduction actually works, and had Two-Face's crimes been revealed, the Joker would have won the war. Sorry for rambling. To repeat: when did Joker plan to turn Harvey Dent askew? Any insights would be welcome. Thanks!

July 31 2008, 01:18 AM	#836
archeryguy1701 Rear Admiral Location: Cheyenne, WY	Re: The Dark Knight - Grading & Discussion ^I think it was an act of opportunity- "Oh look, Harvey is alive, mutilated, and has lost the love of his life. Let's see how this works out..." __________________ "If it weren't for stupid, difficult races, there'd simply be no point to living." Sometimes you just gotta roll the hard six- Bill Adama

July 31 2008, 02:41 AM	#837
nx1701g Admiral Location: Aboard the Executor...	Re: The Dark Knight - Grading & Discussion The novel suggests that The Joker had always intended to break Harvey down. He went after Dent because, compared to Batman and Gordon, he was the weakest of the three. __________________ Star Trek: The Continuing Voyages RPG - Recruiting New Players! The Terminator Chronicles - The Sarah Connor Chronicles Continue! Not Dead Yet.

July 31 2008, 04:41 PM	#838
Emh The Doctor Location: Japan	Re: The Dark Knight - Grading & Discussion I think part of the point of The Joker is that he has an overall plan of complete chaos, but he's perfectly willing to go with the flow and improvise. __________________ "Eccleston was a tiger and Tennant was, well, Tigger. Smith [is] an uncoordinated housecat who pretends that he meant to do that after falling off a piece of furniture." - Lynne M. Thomas "I'm in Hell and it's full of Avons!" - Vila

July 31 2008, 06:31 PM	#840
The Borgified Corpse Admiral Location: Making closing arguments with Jack McCoy & Michael Cutter	Re: The Dark Knight - Grading & Discussion I love that when an actor uses their own irritation with some aspect of production to inform the character. Supposedly, a lot of the irritation in Garak's voice came from Andrew Robinson's intense discomfort in the Cardassian make-up. __________________ Kegg: "You're a Trekkie. The capacity to quibble over the minutiae of space opera films is your birthright."