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Old July 20 2008, 07:55 AM   #286
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There is a Batman "theme," and it's quite distinctive, when you hear it. But it's just two long notes in the background, like a hunting horn: naa-NAA. My knowledge of music theory is relatively limited, and my ear is not altogether reliable, but I believe the interval between the two is called a "perfect fourth". It's heavy, slow, and somber.
As a musician I couldn't let this one slide. It's a minor third, not a perfect fourth.
No, please: correct me! I'm actually trying to learn more music theory. It's frustrating to be a classical music lover, and to be unable to discuss the subject.

I just checked my "solfege" program and I hear it now. Thanks for not letting me slide.
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Old July 20 2008, 07:57 AM   #287
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Well as someone who didn't care for Begins and is a lifelong admirer of the '89 movie..... I gotta say TDK was really damn good. The story was a huge improvement over the one in Begins (even though it did lose me a few times, lol), and of course Ledger's Joker is absolutely perfect (and yes, much better than Nicholson's hammy version).

But still... while I agree with all the accolades, I'm a bit torn. As good as this movie is, this didn't really feel enough like a Batman movie to me. This was just a really good crime movie... with a few appearances by a guy in a batsuit.

Maybe I'm just being childish, but I'll always prefer the more colorful superhero/comic book world of the Burton movies and BTAS-- where there was still something fantastic about Batman and his world (and his villains), whether he actually had super powers or not.

As great an accomplishment as TDK is, I just think Nolan took the character a little too far from that comic book world, and what made me love Batman in the first place
I think that is what my problem is as well. It was good but...didn't feel right in a lot of ways.
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Old July 20 2008, 08:00 AM   #288
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Bruce accepting responsibility for the murders would work for both Dent's reputation and Batman's. The problem relayed to Batman by Maroni was that no one was scared of him anymore because he wouldn't kill. Now that people think Batman has killed dirty cops and crooks, they would be afraid of him because he may kill again.
That's true. I never thought of that.
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Old July 20 2008, 08:27 AM   #289
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Saw it earlier tonight. Freaking excellent. Ledger and Eckhart both turned in amazing performances, finally giving me the Joker and Two Face as I've longed to see them.
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Old July 20 2008, 08:41 AM   #290
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And I'm really, really glad Gordon isn't dead! I have to admit they got me with that one.
Yeah, I didn't see that one coming either; which was weird, looking back, because intellectually I knew Gordon couldn't possibly be dead, but the movies old me on it subjectively.
I think I finally clicked in that it was a fake-out about five seconds before the reveal, when I realized that there were scenes with Gordon in the trailer that we hadn't gotten to yet. But they had me going for quite a while...
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Old July 20 2008, 08:51 AM   #291
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Bruce accepting responsibility for the murders would work for both Dent's reputation and Batman's. The problem relayed to Batman by Maroni was that no one was scared of him anymore because he wouldn't kill. Now that people think Batman has killed dirty cops and crooks, they would be afraid of him because he may kill again.
That's true. I never thought of that.
Yeah. Criminals were scared shitless of Batman in the 1989 version.
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Old July 20 2008, 09:23 AM   #292
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Maybe I'm just being childish, but I'll always prefer the more colorful superhero/comic book world of the Burton movies and BTAS-- where there was still something fantastic about Batman and his world (and his villains), even if he wasn't your traditional, super-powered superhero.
God bless you for not using "fantastical." Talk about the trendy running of a word into the ground ...

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Old July 20 2008, 11:43 AM   #293
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Actually, his wife's name is Barbara. Meaning his daughter's name isn't.
Is there some physical law I'm not aware of that prevents someone from naming their kid the same name as a parent?
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Old July 20 2008, 01:16 PM   #294
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Dent's reputation had to be maintained in order to keep the convicted cons/mafia in prison. If what Dent did as Two-Face got out then his credibility would be harmed and it'd endanger the convictions on the mafia guys.
But, due to the death of Lao, none of those convictions were going to stick. Gordon even has a line where he admits that, and that everything they worked for was for nothing.
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Old July 20 2008, 01:50 PM   #295
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And I'm really, really glad Gordon isn't dead! I have to admit they got me with that one.
I'd decided they pulled a fake-out with the trailer.

After they said that Gordon was down, I mentally flashed to the scene in the trailer where Gordon is talking about the things in Joker's pockets.

And I'd decided, "They must have filmed that especially for the trailer, so that Gordon's death halfway through the film is a surprise."

So when Gordon turned up alive? My jaw nearly hit the floor.

Only the reveal of Ra's al-Ghul in Batman Begins shocked me more.
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Old July 20 2008, 02:32 PM   #296
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Actually I believe in Batman Begins, Barbara is the name of his daughter as well.
No, neither of the children are named in Batman Begins, nor is his wife.

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And I'm really, really glad Gordon isn't dead! I have to admit they got me with that one.
Yeah, I didn't see that one coming either; which was weird, looking back, because intellectually I knew Gordon couldn't possibly be dead, but the movies old me on it subjectively.
I think I finally clicked in that it was a fake-out about five seconds before the reveal, when I realized that there were scenes with Gordon in the trailer that we hadn't gotten to yet. But they had me going for quite a while...
I knew Gordon couldn't be dead because I remembered the clip of Gordon being held back by two cops (which turned out to be when Rachel died). Still, I was surprised that they tried to pretend that Gordon was dead.

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Actually, his wife's name is Barbara. Meaning his daughter's name isn't.
Is there some physical law I'm not aware of that prevents someone from naming their kid the same name as a parent?
I think Aragorn is saying that it's unlikely for that to happen for a daughter to be named after her mother. Which, of course, is complete rubbish. I can think of multiple cases, both real and fictional, where the daugther is named after the mother.
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Old July 20 2008, 03:09 PM   #297
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What happened the court rooms... they looked like sets compared to the first film...
What was different about them? The only thing I can think of is that I believe they didn't have windows this time. Many court rooms don't. But the one in Begins did.

Their sizes also vary.
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Old July 20 2008, 03:15 PM   #298
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What happened the court rooms... they looked like sets compared to the first film...
What was different about them? The only thing I can think of is that I believe they didn't have windows this time. Many court rooms don't. But the one in Begins did.

Their sizes also vary.
The court scenes was the only thing I didn't like about The Dark Knight. The court room seen in The Dark Knight does look like a set, not just because of the lack of windows, but because they were dressed simpler. From what I recall, there was nothing on the walls, no seal, no architectural pleasantries, no flag (but I could be wrong about that bit), nothing but flat boring walls. The court room in Batman Begins had much going on for it.

In addition to the actual set, I thought the acting was a bit awkward and stilted, but maybe that's because I've watched too much Law & Order.
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Old July 20 2008, 03:29 PM   #299
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Bruce accepting responsibility for the murders would work for both Dent's reputation and Batman's. The problem relayed to Batman by Maroni was that no one was scared of him anymore because he wouldn't kill. Now that people think Batman has killed dirty cops and crooks, they would be afraid of him because he may kill again.
Yeah, you're right. I thought about that after I walked out of the movie.

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Actually I believe in Batman Begins, Barbara is the name of his daughter as well.
And now that I think about it, there's a continuity error there.

The implication has been that the time between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight is no more than a year (in fact it feels less than that to me).

Yet in Begins, we see Gordon's wife feeding a baby in a high chair, and yet in TDK both kids are at least 4/5 years old.

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The court scenes was the only thing I didn't like about The Dark Knight. The court room seen in The Dark Knight does look like a set, not just because of the lack of windows, but because they were dressed simpler. From what I recall, there was nothing on the walls, no seal, no architectural pleasantries, no flag (but I could be wrong about that bit), nothing but flat boring walls. The court room in Batman Begins had much going on for it.

In addition to the actual set, I thought the acting was a bit awkward and stilted, but maybe that's because I've watched too much Law & Order.
I guess I'll have to send a memo to the court houses I visit near my home (I do depositions) to spruce up their court rooms?

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