Stargate Continuum - Grading and Discussion - Page 7

stj · July 29 2008, 09:16 PM

Rather good in lots of ways. The weird way that Vala vanishes first, while Mitchell, Carter and Daniel don't vanish till it's too late (in transit in the wormhole) just makes no sense. But if it didn't happen that way they would have had duplicate characters. Also points off for everyone speaking English. Yeah, it speeds up the interaction. It's still ridiculous.

I haven't read most of the thread but I can't see any significant borrowing from Lost City or There But for the Grace of God at all. If anything, the movie reprises elements 2010 and 1969 and The Road Not Taken. Rather effectively, I thought.

Wonder if it was Michael Shank's idea to have one legged Daniel nearly as spry as one legged Christian Bale in 3:10 to Yuma?

OmahaStar · July 29 2008, 09:20 PM

The good - Yu returns. So does Steve Bacic as Callamus or whatever the hell his name is. And Nirrti. Though, the reports of her actually having a role here were quite ... exaggerated. She had what, one line? And a few seconds on screen?

The bad - Everything else about this bloated excuse for a "movie". How nice of them to aid Al Gore's recycling efforts, with the scripts of There But For the Grace of God, Mobius, and others being recycled without even adding in new content. Very smart of them. Putting in something new would require the writers to come up with something new, and we obviously can't have that.

USS Kongo · July 29 2008, 09:42 PM

Loved it. Great seeing SG-1 back in action again, even if they were split up for the better part of the film. Stargate was always a popcorn entertainment, and that was exactly what this was: enjoyable. It was also great seeing all the familiar faces again.

Question: The ship in 1939 brings the Stargate safely to the U.S., but now with a massive hole in its side, caused by the Stargate. They now know the Stargate works--so wouldn't the War Department of the 1940s make a special effort to get it working again?

Wouldn't this lead to a Stargate program being developed in the 1940s, and yet another changed timeline? Can't help but wonder how this was avoided.

Sean

bigdaddy · July 29 2008, 09:44 PM

USS Kongo wrote:

Loved it. Great seeing SG-1 back in action again, even if they were split up for the better part of the film. Stargate was always a popcorn entertainment, and that was exactly what this was: enjoyable. It was also great seeing all the familiar faces again.

Question: The ship in 1939 brings the Stargate safely to the U.S., but now with a massive hole in its side, caused by the Stargate. They now know the Stargate works--so wouldn't the War Department of the 1940s make a special effort to get it working again?

Wouldn't this lead to a Stargate program being developed in the 1940s, and yet another changed timeline? Can't help but wonder how this was avoided.

Sean

Shhhhhh.....

It's time travel.

I would like them to make a movie when I'm done watching I had fun and it was meaningful. The first sucked and the second means nothing overall.

Broccoli · July 29 2008, 10:05 PM

USS Kongo wrote:

Question: The ship in 1939 brings the Stargate safely to the U.S., but now with a massive hole in its side, caused by the Stargate. They now know the Stargate works--so wouldn't the War Department of the 1940s make a special effort to get it working again?

Wouldn't this lead to a Stargate program being developed in the 1940s, and yet another changed timeline? Can't help but wonder how this was avoided.

Sean

They did. And the results of which left Ernest Littlefield lost after he stepped in the gate in 1945, which closed the program down until Catherine Langfordwas able to get it going again in the 90s. ("Torment of Tantalus"; "1969")

USS Kongo · July 29 2008, 10:52 PM

Broccoli wrote:

USS Kongo wrote:

Question: The ship in 1939 brings the Stargate safely to the U.S., but now with a massive hole in its side, caused by the Stargate. They now know the Stargate works--so wouldn't the War Department of the 1940s make a special effort to get it working again?

Wouldn't this lead to a Stargate program being developed in the 1940s, and yet another changed timeline? Can't help but wonder how this was avoided.

Sean

They did. And the results of which left Ernest Littlefield lost after he stepped in the gate in 1945, which closed the program down until Catherine Langfordwas able to get it going again in the 90s. ("Torment of Tantalus"; "1969")

Ah yes, forgot about those episodes. So it actually fits.

Sean

JD · July 29 2008, 11:30 PM

I actually really liked it. Yeah, it might have been another alternate timeline story, but I love those and I thought this one was really well done. The only complaint I have is also part of the reason I liked it, the fact that it was just another alternate timeline story. As for the characters and script, I thought they were both pretty much on par with what I expect from Stargate, there really weren't any bad line or performances or anything IMO. I'm still fairly new to the SG universe, but I have enough familiarity with it that I was able to recognize pretty much all of the references and returning characters. I'm especially happy to see that they brought back Gen. Hammond one last time.

Jax · July 30 2008, 12:44 AM

bigdaddy wrote:

It's time travel.

I would like them to make a movie when I'm done watching I had fun and it was meaningful. The first sucked and the second means nothing overall.

Its about the story and since Baal is truly dead of course it mean't something.

The Wormhole · July 30 2008, 01:09 AM

I'm disappointed. Jeez, if you're going to do an alternate timeline for a movie, do something with some lasting ramifications for the regular timeline. Something like, having the main characters remember things after the reset or something. Jeez, Reset Buttons are stupid enough when done in episodes, but a movie? That's low. That's just low, cheap, and greasy.

And all the characters they brought back for pointless cameos? I understand they can't devote appreciable screen time to a lot of people, but cameos this pointless? Shouldn't even have bothered. They wasted Jack O'Neill, Generals Hammond and Landry don't have roles of any signicance. Apophis was not necessary at all. The System Lords were even more unnecessary.

The so-called "Twist" regarding Mitchell's grandfather being the boat captain was easliy predicted, but that was mainly because I recognized Ben Browder despite the beard. And really how much of a fan-wank is it that Mitchell's grandfather commanded the boat that brought the Stargate to America?

And what's up with the To'kra homeworld? I thought the To'kra lived in underground caves. Those are a lot of really tall buildings. How did the Goa'uld never find this planet and bombard those buildings. And furthermore, the To'kra are supposed to be a dying race. That's a lot of folks for a race said to be on the brink of extinction.

The only thing I did like was Ba'al. He kicked ass, and his phone conversation with President Hayes was really cool. Although I would have liked some resolution regarding what will happen to his host.

Overall, I'm bummed. I'm a pretty big Stargate fan. I loved SG-1 in its first eight seasons, and did enjoy nine and ten, though not as much. I did think Ark of Truth was amazing, though. Atlantis was awesome in its first two season. Three was a bit of a disappointment, and four was only marginally better than three. But hear me now: Stargate Continuum is truly the lowest point of the Stargate franchise.

DWF · July 30 2008, 01:15 AM

And what's up with the To'kra homeworld? I thought the To'kra lived in underground caves. Those are a lot of really tall buildings. How did the Goa'uld never find this planet and bombard those buildings.

Without any real threat from the System Lords the Tok'ra don't need to live underground anymore and they probably grew the city just as they grew their old bases with a crystal.

USS Kongo · July 30 2008, 03:13 AM

DWF wrote:

And what's up with the To'kra homeworld? I thought the To'kra lived in underground caves. Those are a lot of really tall buildings. How did the Goa'uld never find this planet and bombard those buildings.

Without any real threat from the System Lords the Tok'ra don't need to live underground anymore and they probably grew the city just as they grew their old bases with a crystal.

Yeah, that's what I figured, too. They're now living in a golden age of peace (at least until Ba'al screwed up the timeline), so it's time to come out of hiding.

Sean

sttngfan1701d · July 30 2008, 03:26 AM

***1/2

Well, that was a surprise. I hated the craptastic piece of junk that was Ark of Truth, but y'know what? Continuum was great. And I'm not one of the fanboys that likes anything the Stargate team comes up with.

Silly time-travel tripe, but it delivers everything you could expect from a premise like that. Some nice character moments thrown in. And it felt a little bigger than the TV episodes, which Ark of Truth didn't. I wanted more of RDA and the arctic stuff, but I'm not complaining. Color me surprised that they actually pulled this off and delivered a genuinely entertaining flick.

Brikar99 · July 30 2008, 03:39 AM

The "Stargate" franchise will never be remembered as brimming with originality. The plots for nearly every episode have been recycled from other shows, so the fact that this movie bears a strong resemblance to other episodes of this series doesn't bother me that much. Their strength has always been taking a familiar story and doing it well while injecting some humor and well-made action sequences, and that's pretty much what I got out of this movie. It was definitely a more cohesive whole than "Ark of Truth", with no pointless Replicator subplots. It's a sufficiently larger story, as well, and I've never had that lame, intense hatred of "reset button" stories that so many other fans seem to. Just boils down to a lot of inane whining. If the characters don't remember it, so be it - but I will.

So all in all, I had good fun with this. There was some good action, nice special effects, and that good ol' Stargate snarkiness.

Oh, and Joel Goldsmith knocked the score outta the park on this one, too. More time and money definitely brings out the music for these two movies.

bigdaddy · July 30 2008, 03:44 AM

The Wormhole wrote:

Stargate Continuum is truly the lowest point of the Stargate franchise.

Maybe you should watch the Ark movie again, I still want my 90 minutes back.

Gertch · July 30 2008, 03:54 AM

Absolutely FANTASTIC! I think I even got a tingle up my leg.

It's late so I'm not going to say much more right now but boy was that FUN.

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July 29 2008, 09:16 PM	#91
stj Rear Admiral Location: the real world	Re: Stargate Continuum - Grading and Discussion Rather good in lots of ways. The weird way that Vala vanishes first, while Mitchell, Carter and Daniel don't vanish till it's too late (in transit in the wormhole) just makes no sense. But if it didn't happen that way they would have had duplicate characters. Also points off for everyone speaking English. Yeah, it speeds up the interaction. It's still ridiculous. I haven't read most of the thread but I can't see any significant borrowing from Lost City or There But for the Grace of God at all. If anything, the movie reprises elements 2010 and 1969 and The Road Not Taken. Rather effectively, I thought. Wonder if it was Michael Shank's idea to have one legged Daniel nearly as spry as one legged Christian Bale in 3:10 to Yuma? __________________ Morals are what you do to other people. Other people, what we call society, are essential to human happiness. Therefore, morals are the path to happiness. My morals, your happiness; your morals, my happiness: It's a fair trade.

July 29 2008, 09:20 PM	#92
OmahaStar Disrespectful of his betters Location: OmahaStar	Re: Stargate Continuum - Grading and Discussion The good - Yu returns. So does Steve Bacic as Callamus or whatever the hell his name is. And Nirrti. Though, the reports of her actually having a role here were quite ... exaggerated. She had what, one line? And a few seconds on screen? The bad - Everything else about this bloated excuse for a "movie". How nice of them to aid Al Gore's recycling efforts, with the scripts of There But For the Grace of God, Mobius, and others being recycled without even adding in new content. Very smart of them. Putting in something new would require the writers to come up with something new, and we obviously can't have that. __________________ "Sorry. Wrong movie, buddy."

July 29 2008, 09:42 PM	#93
USS Kongo Fleet Captain	Re: Stargate Continuum - Grading and Discussion Loved it. Great seeing SG-1 back in action again, even if they were split up for the better part of the film. Stargate was always a popcorn entertainment, and that was exactly what this was: enjoyable. It was also great seeing all the familiar faces again. Question: The ship in 1939 brings the Stargate safely to the U.S., but now with a massive hole in its side, caused by the Stargate. They now know the Stargate works--so wouldn't the War Department of the 1940s make a special effort to get it working again? Wouldn't this lead to a Stargate program being developed in the 1940s, and yet another changed timeline? Can't help but wonder how this was avoided. Sean __________________ MY DVD Review Site Like Ghost Stories? Read My Book!

July 29 2008, 11:30 PM	#97
JD Admiral Location: Arizona, USA	Re: Stargate Continuum - Grading and Discussion I actually really liked it. Yeah, it might have been another alternate timeline story, but I love those and I thought this one was really well done. The only complaint I have is also part of the reason I liked it, the fact that it was just another alternate timeline story. As for the characters and script, I thought they were both pretty much on par with what I expect from Stargate, there really weren't any bad line or performances or anything IMO. I'm still fairly new to the SG universe, but I have enough familiarity with it that I was able to recognize pretty much all of the references and returning characters. I'm especially happy to see that they brought back Gen. Hammond one last time. __________________ Over the course of many encounters and many years, I have successfully developed a standard operating procedure for dealing with big, nasty monsters. Run away. Me and Monty Python. Harry Dresden - Blood Rites (The Dresden Files #6)

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July 30 2008, 01:09 AM	#99
The Wormhole Admiral	Re: Stargate Continuum - Grading and Discussion I'm disappointed. Jeez, if you're going to do an alternate timeline for a movie, do something with some lasting ramifications for the regular timeline. Something like, having the main characters remember things after the reset or something. Jeez, Reset Buttons are stupid enough when done in episodes, but a movie? That's low. That's just low, cheap, and greasy. And all the characters they brought back for pointless cameos? I understand they can't devote appreciable screen time to a lot of people, but cameos this pointless? Shouldn't even have bothered. They wasted Jack O'Neill, Generals Hammond and Landry don't have roles of any signicance. Apophis was not necessary at all. The System Lords were even more unnecessary. The so-called "Twist" regarding Mitchell's grandfather being the boat captain was easliy predicted, but that was mainly because I recognized Ben Browder despite the beard. And really how much of a fan-wank is it that Mitchell's grandfather commanded the boat that brought the Stargate to America? And what's up with the To'kra homeworld? I thought the To'kra lived in underground caves. Those are a lot of really tall buildings. How did the Goa'uld never find this planet and bombard those buildings. And furthermore, the To'kra are supposed to be a dying race. That's a lot of folks for a race said to be on the brink of extinction. The only thing I did like was Ba'al. He kicked ass, and his phone conversation with President Hayes was really cool. Although I would have liked some resolution regarding what will happen to his host. Overall, I'm bummed. I'm a pretty big Stargate fan. I loved SG-1 in its first eight seasons, and did enjoy nine and ten, though not as much. I did think Ark of Truth was amazing, though. Atlantis was awesome in its first two season. Three was a bit of a disappointment, and four was only marginally better than three. But hear me now: Stargate Continuum is truly the lowest point of the Stargate franchise. __________________ "Internet message boards aren't as funny today as they were ten years ago. I've stopped reading new posts." -The Simpsons 20th anniversary special.

July 30 2008, 03:26 AM	#102
sttngfan1701d Fleet Captain	Re: Stargate Continuum - Grading and Discussion ***1/2 Well, that was a surprise. I hated the craptastic piece of junk that was Ark of Truth, but y'know what? Continuum was great. And I'm not one of the fanboys that likes anything the Stargate team comes up with. Silly time-travel tripe, but it delivers everything you could expect from a premise like that. Some nice character moments thrown in. And it felt a little bigger than the TV episodes, which Ark of Truth didn't. I wanted more of RDA and the arctic stuff, but I'm not complaining. Color me surprised that they actually pulled this off and delivered a genuinely entertaining flick.

July 30 2008, 03:39 AM	#103
Brikar99 Rear Admiral	Re: Stargate Continuum - Grading and Discussion The "Stargate" franchise will never be remembered as brimming with originality. The plots for nearly every episode have been recycled from other shows, so the fact that this movie bears a strong resemblance to other episodes of this series doesn't bother me that much. Their strength has always been taking a familiar story and doing it well while injecting some humor and well-made action sequences, and that's pretty much what I got out of this movie. It was definitely a more cohesive whole than "Ark of Truth", with no pointless Replicator subplots. It's a sufficiently larger story, as well, and I've never had that lame, intense hatred of "reset button" stories that so many other fans seem to. Just boils down to a lot of inane whining. If the characters don't remember it, so be it - but I will. So all in all, I had good fun with this. There was some good action, nice special effects, and that good ol' Stargate snarkiness. Oh, and Joel Goldsmith knocked the score outta the park on this one, too. More time and money definitely brings out the music for these two movies. __________________ SNW 9: 'Mestral' - 'Ninja Werewolf Assassins!' - Movie/TV reviews: For Reelz

July 30 2008, 03:54 AM	#105
Gertch Admiral	Re: Stargate Continuum - Grading and Discussion Absolutely FANTASTIC! I think I even got a tingle up my leg. It's late so I'm not going to say much more right now but boy was that FUN.