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Old June 20 2008, 12:40 AM   #1
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Why didn't Riker accept his own command for so long?

that's something i've never quite understood about William T. Riker. he turned down command after command, Drake, Aries, Melborne, Voyager and who knows how many others before finally accepting the Titan.

now, it made sense turning down the Drake (doomed snotcruiser could only make warp 3) to instead serve as XO on the fleet's flagship. but the Aries sounded like an adventure to me, a lone ship in a distant corner of the galaxy on the verge of encountering a new civilization. and he kept turning down each command offered for the next decade.

what was holding him on the Enterprise all that time? was he hoping to wait out Picard and get the Enterprise for himself? was 14 years as XO of the finest ship in the fleet really that much better for his career than command of his own, fine ship? was it because of his feelings for Counselor Troi? did he really just like being second-in-command to such an impecable leader as Picard? was he afraid of the Big Chair? did the offers eventually stop, and that's why he took the Titan, realizing that might be the last shot he had at captaincy? none of those reasons fit Riker as i see him. what you you fine folks think?
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Old June 20 2008, 01:06 AM   #2
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Re: Why didn't Riker accept his own command for so long?

He turned down Voyager?
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Old June 20 2008, 01:25 AM   #3
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Re: Why didn't Riker accept his own command for so long?

Because it would have taken him off of the series.
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Old June 20 2008, 01:54 AM   #4
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that's something i've never quite understood about William T. Riker. he turned down command after command, Drake, Aries, Melborne, Voyager and who knows how many others before finally accepting the Titan.

now, it made sense turning down the Drake (doomed snotcruiser could only make warp 3) to instead serve as XO on the fleet's flagship. but the Aries sounded like an adventure to me, a lone ship in a distant corner of the galaxy on the verge of encountering a new civilization. and he kept turning down each command offered for the next decade.

what was holding him on the Enterprise all that time? was he hoping to wait out Picard and get the Enterprise for himself? was 14 years as XO of the finest ship in the fleet really that much better for his career than command of his own, fine ship? was it because of his feelings for Counselor Troi? did he really just like being second-in-command to such an impecable leader as Picard? was he afraid of the Big Chair? did the offers eventually stop, and that's why he took the Titan, realizing that might be the last shot he had at captaincy? none of those reasons fit Riker as i see him. what you you fine folks think?
when was he offered Voyager?
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Old June 20 2008, 02:17 AM   #5
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Look at it this way. If he took the Melbourne, he'd be dead.
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Old June 20 2008, 08:03 AM   #6
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I see it simply in terms of "The Icarus Factor": Riker was seeking for a father figure, and once he found one in Picard, he stopped looking. There was no incentive for him to move forward in his Starfleet career once he had found what he wanted.

And the only reason we'd think Riker was ever offered the Voyager is because Q in "Death Wish" says he was betting Starfleet would put him in command of that ship... And if you take Q for his word, I have this reel of a long-lost TOS episode to sell.

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Old June 20 2008, 11:55 AM   #7
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Re: Why didn't Riker accept his own command for so long?

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And if you take Q for his word, I have this reel of a long-lost TOS episode to sell.

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Riker's never accepting command was one of the most ridiculous character aspects on TNG, actually. They should have done the scene once, had him chose to stay, or done it the BOBW way and have his ship destroyed, and then dropped it. It was rally stupid trying to ratchet up tension by trying the 'will Riker take command' thing after the first tiem they tried it - we all knew what would happen, and it just made the character look cowardly and Starfleet look rather desperate.
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Old June 20 2008, 05:51 PM   #8
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Re: Why didn't Riker accept his own command for so long?

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Because it would have taken him off of the series.
And truth be told, I would not have had with that. I would have enjoyed seeing Riker promoted and leave the show after BoBW. It leaves room to bring in a new XO and adds a bit of realism to the show.
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Old June 20 2008, 05:59 PM   #9
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I don't really have an opinion either way. It could have been interesting, or it could have been a disaster. But the simple reason why he didn't leave was because it would have taken him off of the show.
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Old June 20 2008, 11:30 PM   #10
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Re: Why didn't Riker accept his own command for so long?

When you're on the Enterprise, the grandest and bestest ship in the fleet, it seems to me that taking command of an Excelsior-class ship, a Nebula, or hell any other ship in the fleet is a step DOWN.

Riker was second in command of a prized assignment. Why would anyone want to leave?
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Old June 20 2008, 11:45 PM   #11
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Re: Why didn't Riker accept his own command for so long?

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When you're on the Enterprise, the grandest and bestest ship in the fleet, it seems to me that taking command of an Excelsior-class ship, a Nebula, or hell any other ship in the fleet is a step DOWN.

Riker was second in command of a prized assignment. Why would anyone want to leave?
That's the explanation that makes sense to me, although one theme that was recurring was mentioning how "ambitious" he was. Meh.

The Drake was, as mentioned before, a crappy ship.

The Aries was described by Picard as a "relatively insignificant" ship. (Although it's non-canon, I refer you to Ex Astris Scientia's ASDB page on the Renaissance-class starship. http://www.trekships.org/renaissance.htm )

The Melbourne was either a prototype Nebula, a different type of Nebula, or an Excelsior, all of which were taken out of service à la the Battle of Wolf 359 courtesy of the Borg.

The end result is that all the commands offered Riker wouldn't have lasted long or wouldn't have given him the same opportunities that being on the Enterprise did.
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Old June 20 2008, 11:50 PM   #12
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Riker was second in command of a prized assignment. Why would anyone want to leave?
Well, that's exactly why... he's only second in command... It's not his ship. We saw in Chain of Command that even after saving the fleet from the borg, there were many admirals that didn't think he could command the ship in a difficult situation
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Old June 21 2008, 02:24 AM   #13
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I suppose that it would be better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven.
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Old June 21 2008, 02:32 AM   #14
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Re: Why didn't Riker accept his own command for so long?

And Why hasn't Picard retired yet or been promoted. I think its pretty much tye same reason Riker turned down offer after offer, pride and or stubborn as hell. In the Titan novles I believe both Laforge and Worf turned down the XO posting on Titan, Vale who took it turned it down once or twice before.
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Old June 21 2008, 05:51 AM   #15
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Re: Why didn't Riker accept his own command for so long?

It was also a desire to not be the first to voluntarily break up the Enterprise-D family. Once Worf left, even though it ended up not being permanent, it then set the stage for others to break off and leave.
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