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Old April 25 2008, 03:04 AM   #46
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Re: Would a Captain Sulu series have killed trek?

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Takei instead of Mulgrew?

In the toilet. And I'm no fan of Mulgrew's.
Agreed.
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Old April 25 2008, 09:01 PM   #47
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Re: Would a Captain Sulu series have killed trek?

Among all this talk of what "killed Trek," I suppose someone should point out that there is a big-budget Star Trek movie in production with a very hot Hollywood director at the helm.

As to the original question, I agree that Takei doesn't have the acting chops to be a series lead. He's fine in small roles - Heroes, etc. But he really has the whole reading-from-cue-cards style of delivery going on.
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Old April 26 2008, 09:30 PM   #48
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Re: Would a Captain Sulu series have killed trek?

A Sulu series instead of VOY would have been neither better or worse. If they had the same writers and producers, the results would have been similar. It didn't really matter who was in the captain's chair.

I don't think Takei had the presence necessary to make such a series work well. He's ok but just not as the main lead.
He's too old now, anyway. They should get that guy who plays Miles on Lost. He may be a little squirt but I could see him being a convincing kick-ass who could scare The Sisko.

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Eighteen years of repetition killed "Star Trek."
To be fair, it was really only the last nine. The was nothing wrong with TNG, DS9, or Voyager in it;s first two years. From season three on, it started to get old, and ENTERPRISE wasn't any better.
TNG got repetitive pretty early on (not long after it stopped sucking in S3). VOY was repetitive for seven seasons. ENT was repetitive in S1-S2, different but still sucky in S3 and different and decent in S4.

Only DS9 managed to be non-repetitive most of the way through, after the first season. But the fact that that series - and new BSG - are not kicking ass in ratings just goes to show how little originality or "grittiness" matter for ratings.

I think that to get back on its feet, Star Trek needs to be even more of a departure than DS9 ever was.

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Old May 21 2008, 03:19 PM   #49
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Yes.
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Old May 21 2008, 09:43 PM   #50
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Re: Would a Captain Sulu series have killed trek?

Temis the Vorta wrote: View Post
A Sulu series instead of VOY would have been neither better or worse. If they had the same writers and producers, the results would have been similar. It didn't really matter who was in the captain's chair.

I don't think Takei had the presence necessary to make such a series work well. He's ok but just not as the main lead.
He's too old now, anyway. They should get that guy who plays Miles on Lost. He may be a little squirt but I could see him being a convincing kick-ass who could scare The Sisko.

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Eighteen years of repetition killed "Star Trek."
To be fair, it was really only the last nine. The was nothing wrong with TNG, DS9, or Voyager in it;s first two years. From season three on, it started to get old, and ENTERPRISE wasn't any better.
TNG got repetitive pretty early on (not long after it stopped sucking in S3). VOY was repetitive for seven seasons. ENT was repetitive in S1-S2, different but still sucky in S3 and different and decent in S4.

Only DS9 managed to be non-repetitive most of the way through, after the first season. But the fact that that series - and new BSG - are not kicking ass in ratings just goes to show how little originality or "grittiness" matter for ratings.

I think that to get back on its feet, Star Trek needs to be even more of a departure than DS9 ever was.
Well thought out, and I agree..a SULU series would not go over IMO

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Old May 29 2008, 01:07 AM   #51
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No, it wouldn't have worked for the same reason ENT didn't work, and this new movie will not work: Trek should *never* go back, but rather, it should *always* go forward.
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Old June 6 2008, 04:12 AM   #52
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That's nonsense. Trek has failed just as thoroughly going forward as backward.
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Old June 14 2008, 12:32 PM   #53
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As has been mentioned, the trouble is in creative repetitiveness. Think about it: TNG, DS9, and VOY ran 7 years each, and ENT ran 4. That's 25 seasons worth of essentially the same creative show, some of it concurrently. It is reasonable to conclude that an Excelsior series would be creatively no different than any of the aforementioned and would therefore be no positive or negative, but basically the same.

Trek overkilled, and without creative originality, n o show can survive 25 years without dwindling it's audience. That's why the new movie could be very promising. Going back and reinterpreting the concept and making it fresh (or fresher).
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Old June 15 2008, 04:22 AM   #54
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That's why the new movie could be very promising. Going back and reinterpreting the concept and making it fresh (or fresher).
I see it as risky, very risky. There will be die hard fans who may go to see it and become pissed. It may also be a pleasure to old fans. It could attract new fans to the Trek legacy. The only good thing is that You can't loose fnas because of this movie, a trekkie will never abandon trek because they each have their own favorite era of trek.
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Old June 19 2008, 06:32 PM   #55
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Re: Would a Captain Sulu series have killed trek?

Sulu and the Excelsior are cool, but I can't see them having their own series.
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Old June 19 2008, 10:10 PM   #56
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Re: Would a Captain Sulu series have killed trek?

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That's why the new movie could be very promising. Going back and reinterpreting the concept and making it fresh (or fresher).
I see it as risky, very risky. There will be die hard fans who may go to see it and become pissed. It may also be a pleasure to old fans. It could attract new fans to the Trek legacy. The only good thing is that You can't loose fnas because of this movie, a trekkie will never abandon trek because they each have their own favorite era of trek.
The franchise is in the toilet - who cares if it pisses off the old fans? that's a dead end.
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Old June 23 2008, 08:43 PM   #57
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I don't think Takei had the acting chops to pull off such a series. It probably would have crashed faster than Enterprise. A LOT faster. He's great as a supporting player, but he couldn't carry or lead an ensemble series.
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Old July 5 2008, 04:16 AM   #58
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Sulu and the Excelsior are cool, but I can't see them having their own series.
maybe a mini-series would have been cool as hell....

Voyager's "Flashback" was awesome in showing the movie era, but a little too much technobabble.
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Old July 5 2008, 07:36 AM   #59
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One of the major problems with VOY was technobabble. Whatever the new series is, it must keep that to a minimum. Even Kirk's cheesy fist fights worked better as a storytelling device.
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Old July 19 2008, 09:12 PM   #60
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I think that Voyager was better then a series based on Captain Sulu. Don't get me wrong, Sulu is great but, in my opinion, Star Trek is about moving forward not back. That is why I am so angry about the next movie.



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Should they have gone with a Captain Sulu based series instead of Voyager?
What would the effect on Trek have been?
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