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Old April 9 2008, 09:14 PM   #31
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Re: Would a Captain Sulu series have killed trek?

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I think "Flashback" made it perfectly clear that an Excelsior series using the elements from TUC would have sucked hard. Takei's not a brutal actor or anything, but his performance in that episode didn't exactly scream "make this into a series!" for me.

On another note, I seem to recall an episoe in which a ship commanded by someone named Captain Sulu dropped of Chakotay,as a boy, and his father somewhere.

I do agree, Takei taking the captain's chair probably would not have been as exciting as someone else.
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Old April 10 2008, 01:11 AM   #32
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Re: Would a Captain Sulu series have killed trek?

I think Captain Sulu works better in novels than as an ongoing show. And remember, even if it were Star Trek: Excelsior, the same tired creative team probably would've been behind it. So we'd have 7 years -- or less -- of a somewhat weak ST entry, once again.

I wonder if Tuvok would've been in an Excelsior show, though? And if any of the actors cast in VOY would've been cast in different roles in the show? Hmmm!

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Old April 10 2008, 04:27 PM   #33
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C'mon, dude, TOS! !960s! What did you expect? TV had nothing BUT one dimensional, celluliod, action figures.
All true, which doesn't make TOS something it's not. One could easily argue that the final failing of modern Trek producers is that they did so little to correct the "emasculation" of Trek characters that was required in earlier decades of television, rather than that they somehow introduced it - they really didn't.

Time simply finally caught up with the inherent conservatism of Trek's storytelling style. I'm hoping the new movie will begin to correct that.
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Old April 14 2008, 05:31 AM   #34
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Re: Would a Captain Sulu series have killed trek?

It would have been the same mistake as "Enterprise". It wouldn't have killed Trek but it would have lead to the same result as "Enterprise".

There was nothing wrong with the idea of making Voyager and the show had excellent characters. Voyager was the logical step after TNG and DS9.

The problem with Voyager was that it was somewhat sloppy handled by the writers and producers. They had the chance to come up with something really good but they never used the potential the series and the characters had. Maybe they also should have waited a year or two before launching Voyager it came too close on TNG and DS9.

Voyager wasn't bad. It was a good series. But some things couldd have been better.

Making a retro series like "Enterprise" after Voyager was the big mistake and a Sulu series would have been even worse. They should have continued in the 24th century. I mean, they had created that wonderful universe with all those interesting species, developed what was started in TOS and expanded it and what did they do then? They abandon it all and go back to a TOS state oreven worse a pre-TOS state with only Klingons, Romulans and such.

It would have been like the record business should have abandoned all the modern technology and gone back to mono recordings and 78 rpm records which crashes if you drop them. A Sulu series would have had the same result.

TOS was a wonderful series with wonderful characters. They should let it rest in peace instead of those futile attempts to milk the last possible money out of iit.
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Old April 15 2008, 02:57 AM   #35
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Re: Would a Captain Sulu series have killed trek?

I've never seen Takei in any role that would suggest that he could be an effective series lead. I think he came across as beyond-Kirk melodramatic in Star Trek VI, and uncharismatic in "Flashback."
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Old April 21 2008, 04:21 PM   #36
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LOL and ROFL.
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Old April 21 2008, 05:10 PM   #37
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Re: Would a Captain Sulu series have killed trek?

The character is pretty cool in novels.
Seems like he'd be kind of a personality cross between Kirk and Picard.
Lord knows I'd watch.

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Old April 22 2008, 05:52 PM   #38
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I think they should have stranded a post TUC Excelsior in the Delta Quadrant. Less high tech flashy crap than Voyager, they would have been more even in a fight against the Kazon. They could have dropped the whole Maquis angle that they so badly misused. Plus they could use the cool movie transporter effect from the movies every single week. Takei is a good enough actor to pull the lead provided he had good enough scripts. They could have even had Demora Sulu visiting when the Excelsior got its ass pulled to the Delta Quadrant by the Caretaker. What do you do with a visiting officer and daughter, could add some tension. You would have had drop the Holodoc, but you could easily replace him with an alien Doc no problem. You still could have had Kes and Neelix too. With Sulu at the command you could have the first officer be a woman or during the pilot they could have the first officer use the array to send Sulu back to Alpha Quadrant via something like an iconia gateway effect against his orders because she wants to save an injured Sulu, but there is only enough energy to send one person back to Starfleet HQ via the damaged array etc.... That would only be the case if you wanted to have Sulu for the pilot and flashbacks etc....

It could have worked quite well.
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Old April 23 2008, 11:55 PM   #39
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It would have been the same mistake as "Enterprise". It wouldn't have killed Trek but it would have lead to the same result as "Enterprise".
And yet, ENTERPRISE is what finally killed Trek.
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Old April 24 2008, 02:29 AM   #40
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Eighteen years of repetition killed "Star Trek."
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Old April 24 2008, 03:31 AM   #41
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Eighteen years of repetition killed "Star Trek."
To be fair, it was really only the last nine. The was nothing wrong with TNG, DS9, or Voyager in it;s first two years. From season three on, it started to get old, and ENTERPRISE wasn't any better.
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Old April 24 2008, 03:43 AM   #42
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Re: Would a Captain Sulu series have killed trek?

Well, regardless of what killed Star Trek, an Excelsior-based series starring George Takei would not have helped it any.
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Old April 24 2008, 03:59 AM   #43
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The whole idea behind Voyager was that it was a sturdy, smaller ship on a long journey home. The sense of containment reinforced the notion of Voyager as home to a stranded crew and the scale of having to return to the Alpha Quadrant.

The Excelsior on the other hand was a state of the art ship in her time. If a series were to be set involving the Excelsior then it would have to be a different premise from Voyager.

A few years ago a Sulu series may well have worked. I agree people are giving him a hard time because Takei has performed well outside of Trek where he's not limited to the same supporting role. But to be honest, by the end of the 90s/early 2000s there was Star Trek overload. It could have been a Sulu series or Enterprise, the point is it wouldn't have endured.
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Old April 24 2008, 05:05 AM   #44
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Re: Would a Captain Sulu series have killed trek?

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It would have been the same mistake as "Enterprise". It wouldn't have killed Trek but it would have lead to the same result as "Enterprise".
And yet, ENTERPRISE is what finally killed Trek.
Trek was dead before Enterprise even began to air.
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Old April 24 2008, 07:58 PM   #45
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Eighteen years of repetition killed "Star Trek."
To be fair, it was really only the last nine. The was nothing wrong with TNG, DS9, or Voyager in it;s first two years. From season three on, it started to get old, and ENTERPRISE wasn't any better.
Not really true - the ratings declined steadily for every one of TNG's sequels starting from their second episodes.

And the key is repetition - all of the times that TNG did the same thing over and over in the same style have to be factored in to the exhaustion factor by the time DS9 and "Voyager" and "Enterprise" each picked up the cycle.

People can argue series preferences, but if you look at the ratings it's hard to argue that audience fatigue didn't start to set in about 1992 (reflected in the first two years of DS9's ratings - its highest - if not TNG's). And you don't get that fatigue from a standing start, so "eighteen years" is about right.
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