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Old February 2 2009, 11:18 PM   #1
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Will the new enterprise be larger than the TOS?

We now have a rough idea on the size of the new bridge that coupled with a couple of pics of the shuttle from the film leads me to believe that the new enterprise is indeed larger than the original. Any thoughts on this?
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Old February 2 2009, 11:35 PM   #2
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Re: Will the new enterprise be larger than the TOS?

My guess is that it's bigger.
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Old February 2 2009, 11:38 PM   #3
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Re: Will the new enterprise be larger than the TOS?

Not very much, if any, judging by the size of the airlocks and viewports.
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Old February 2 2009, 11:56 PM   #4
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Re: Will the new enterprise be larger than the TOS?

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Not very much, if any, judging by the size of the airlocks and viewports.
Agreed.

Just throwing this out, but was the TOS bridge set to scale for a ship that size? It always seemed smaller than it should have been if you discounted wide lens filming and angles and such and actually tried to judge scale by the number of steps the actors took.

They promised larger spaces on the Enterprise for TMP and we kind of got them. I think this ship will seem larger just because we will see many more large spaces.
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Old February 2 2009, 11:57 PM   #5
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They promised larger spaces on the Enterprise for TMP and we kind of got them.
Kind of? Engineering and the Rec Deck don't even fit inside it!
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Old February 3 2009, 12:29 AM   #6
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Re: Will the new enterprise be larger than the TOS?

Look at the shot from the trailer of Kirk looking up at the ship being constructed. YOu can spot a few people walking around on scaffolding.

Yes, it's a lot bigger.
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Old February 3 2009, 12:54 AM   #7
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Not very much, if any, judging by the size of the airlocks and viewports.
Agreed.

Just throwing this out, but was the TOS bridge set to scale for a ship that size? It always seemed smaller than it should have been if you discounted wide lens filming and angles and such and actually tried to judge scale by the number of steps the actors took.
Yes, it was. It fit quite neatly into the dome on the model if one got the scales right - but of course, doing so absolutely required the turbolift to line up with that cylinder on the back of the bridge exterior so that the main viewer was rotated 36 degrees to port.
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Old February 3 2009, 01:00 AM   #8
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Look at the shot from the trailer of Kirk looking up at the ship being constructed. YOu can spot a few people walking around on scaffolding.

Yes, it's a lot bigger.
No, not really:



That thing in the little red circle is a guy walking. He's the perfect size to fit into the decks as laid out in the TOS configuration. Its not any bigger.
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Old February 3 2009, 01:08 AM   #9
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That guy is a couple of pixels high. Any scale estimates you make this way could easily be off by twenty percent - or more.

Likewise, using the airlocks or windows for scale reference requires the assumption that they are the same size as on the ST:TMP ship, and this is unestablished.
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Old February 3 2009, 01:11 AM   #10
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Re: Will the new enterprise be larger than the TOS?

The same argument can be used against those who say its bigger.

Don't get it. We haven't seen anything to suggest its significantly larger or smaller, yet some people insist its been scaled-up to star destroyer size.
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Old February 3 2009, 01:21 AM   #11
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Re: Will the new enterprise be larger than the TOS?

The saucer seems to be about the same size as TMP's Enterprise. The secondary hull diameter seems smaller on this version. Maybe too small. And with new version of the saucer lacking that undercut area like that on the underside of the real 1707 and 1701-A, then it's likely to have more volume in this saucer.

So- lacking any real information on it's size, a slightly larger saucer coupled with a slightly smaller secondary hull, may give us a ship with a similar volume to the original Enterprise.

I may not like the new ship as the Enterprise, and I may subscribe to the built in space club, but I really do love that picture above of it under construction.
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Old February 3 2009, 02:56 AM   #12
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Old February 3 2009, 04:31 AM   #13
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Re: Will the new enterprise be larger than the TOS?

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The same argument can be used against those who say its bigger.

Don't get it. We haven't seen anything to suggest its significantly larger or smaller, yet some people insist its been scaled-up to star destroyer size.
It's not so much that we want the star destroyer ENTERPRISE, so much as we would like to see a ship with more space! I mean I've allways been botherd by the fact that you have 500 crew men on board a flying tin-can( No Offense ) for 5 YEARS! and NO ONE GOES STIR-CRAZY!!! I mean something the size of the Excelsior seams more resonable and realistic.
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Old February 3 2009, 05:43 AM   #14
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Re: Will the new enterprise be larger than the TOS?

I think we're talking something on this order...



Like I said before, it doesn't look like the Enterprise, it looks like a parody of the Enterprise.

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Old February 3 2009, 05:49 AM   #15
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Re: Will the new enterprise be larger than the TOS?

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Like I said before, it doesn't look like the Enterprise, it looks like a parody of the Enterprise.
You can keep saying that, but it won't make people agree with you.
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