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Old April 25 2008, 05:59 PM   #31
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Re: Why did Doohan hate Shatner?

Believe it or not I never knew these two had problems.
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Old April 25 2008, 08:28 PM   #32
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Same here. This is the first I've every heard about.
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Old April 25 2008, 08:36 PM   #33
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Re: Why did Doohan hate Shatner?

For a long time I thought it was just Doohan trying to sell books--usually when it came up was when he was on a talk show or what not.

But, after I while I really started to think he really didn't like The Shat.
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Old April 26 2008, 12:09 AM   #34
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Shatner can do what ever the hell he wants and its A-OK with me.Captain Kirk will always be my numero uno.Scotty could have been played by anyone and Star Trek still would have been the same show, i cant same the same about the Captain, IMO.
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Old April 26 2008, 12:37 AM   #35
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Speculation is just fine
I agree, speculation is fine. How dare we let FACTS get in the way of speculation.
I HAVE met and worked with Shatner. Anyone who has KNOWS why so many people hate him, but I won't bore you again. See my post elsewhere.
On the other hand, Jimmy Doohan was one of the kindest folks I ever met who was connected to Hollywood. He did more charity work than any other cast member, to my knowledge. He was the kind of person who would give you the shirt off his back.
Knowing this, it is easy to see why such opposites would not get along.
Hmmmm...a really good person would forgive and forget. Perhaps Doohan did all those things for the attention and adulation. A real class act would never speak ill of anyone, even someone they disliked.
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Old April 26 2008, 01:25 AM   #36
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Shatner can do what ever the hell he wants and its A-OK with me.Captain Kirk will always be my numero uno.Scotty could have been played by anyone and Star Trek still would have been the same show, i cant same the same about the Captain, IMO.
Yeah, it might've actually been someone who acted and delivered dialog normally....
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Old April 26 2008, 03:29 AM   #37
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Re: Why did Doohan hate Shatner?

Jimmy worshipped women. All women.
Well he certainly liked them enough. Some friends and I were at a con drinking tequila. The hotel was one with a big hollow core, and half of the floor was set aside for the con guests. The other half was open to the public. We had set up at a table on the hall/balcony and were enjoying ourselves when the door across the atrium opened up and out came James Doohan. He had a blond on one arm and a brunette on the other. he escorted them to the elevator and took a jaunty walk back to his room, pausing to give us a big wave. He seemed a perfect gentleman to me.
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Old April 26 2008, 03:39 AM   #38
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Re: Why did Doohan hate Shatner?

I don't believe he turned down the Futurama part. He suffered from Parkinson's disease which made him speak slower so it would be difficult to do the voice.
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Old April 26 2008, 06:08 AM   #39
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Re: Why did Doohan hate Shatner?

On the Futurama DVD commentary for that episode they said he was cutting back his work load or something like that. They never said anything about health reasons, but it stands to reason.
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Old April 26 2008, 06:38 AM   #40
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Re: Why did Doohan hate Shatner?

It's really kind of sad to think of characters that you love so much not getting along in real life. Course, I'm always stuck with the vision of seeing Shatner helping an ill Doohan off stage during the nickelodeon tv show awards. That was really a sign to me that bygones were bygones.
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Old April 26 2008, 08:38 AM   #41
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Re: Why did Doohan hate Shatner?

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I'm always stuck with the vision of seeing Shatner helping an ill Doohan off stage during the nickelodeon tv show awards. That was really a sign to me that bygones were bygones.
Or guilty conscience for treating him bad over several decades. I'm sure Shatner would help anyone who was frail to leave a stage.

You can read hundreds of "reasons" into actions.
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Old April 26 2008, 04:32 PM   #42
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Shatner can do what ever the hell he wants and its A-OK with me.Captain Kirk will always be my numero uno.Scotty could have been played by anyone and Star Trek still would have been the same show, i cant same the same about the Captain, IMO.
Yeah, it might've actually been someone who acted and delivered dialog normally....
Yeah...that'd be great...another "normal actor" playing an extraordinary role.

The Shat's acting is at the core of what made Kirk so awesome.
Take the....pauses...and the....DRAMA...awayfromKirk...and............you have....dull dull dull.

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Old April 26 2008, 05:21 PM   #43
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The Shat's acting is at the core of what made Kirk so awesome.
Take the....pauses...and the....DRAMA...awayfromKirk...and............you have....dull dull dull.

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Old April 26 2008, 05:44 PM   #44
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I have been to dozens of Trek conventions, starting in the late 70s. I have heard the lower rung actors bitch and bitch how hard it was to escape Trek's shadow. Well, Shatner did it, and so they are jealous hacks.
Well, at least that shadow allowed Nichelle Nichols to stretchout her thespian muscles in 70's classics like Truck Turner!
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With each point you listed you couldn't be further away from the truth.

1) Doohan wasn't jealous of Shatner. On the set and at the parties he would avoid the man because he thought Bill was racist, sexist and intolerant.

2) Bill never suggested Jimmy for the part. Bill only suggested that Star Trek could do without an engineer (Doohan) which Jimmy never forgave him.

3) Doohan and Grace Lee Whitney were always best of friends (at one time more than that) right until his death. He was never known to force issues with women. Jimmy worshipped women. All women. But one of the NBC executives working for Star Trek was renowned for being a pest and forcing himself on femal staff. And this person who shall not be named raped Grace, harrassed Nichelle and attacked Takei on several occasions. The person to stand up to him was not Bill Shatner. It was Doohan who got severely reprimanded by a bunch of hypocrites, for being a caring, courageous friend at all times.

That, my friend, is the truth as I know it, right out of the mouth of somebody who is not here to defend himself. So I have to do it for him.
That's super interesting stuff thanks a lot Sarah, do you know know why he thought Bill was racist and intolerant?
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