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Old August 29 2008, 11:27 AM   #571
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It's alright, Nicky Butt is in line for a call-up.
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Old August 29 2008, 11:43 AM   #572
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It's alright, Nicky Butt is in line for a call-up.
you joking ?

Great hard worker who was simply world class and our best player at the 2002 WORLD CUP but he is past being able to make it at international level.
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Old August 29 2008, 11:48 AM   #573
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NX_01 Mark wrote: View Post
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It's alright, Nicky Butt is in line for a call-up.
you joking ?
Yes. I think...
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Old August 29 2008, 12:05 PM   #574
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It's alright, Nicky Butt is in line for a call-up.
you joking ?
Yes. I think...
god I wouldn't put it past Capello...I think he will tell Fergie that Hargreaves will play since he going to play in next two UTD games. I would say give him 20 minutes against Andorra and then 60 mins should do against Croatia.

Probably might be best to go a standard 5 man midfield and not Capello 3-2-1 bullshit, if Hargreaves might struggle with match fitness.
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Old August 29 2008, 01:41 PM   #575
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^They say that every year.

They've got everything going for them. A huge fanbase, billionaire owners, a good manager, their best players are loyal, Champions League football bringing in the money, a massive squad and not such a bad injury list. They have no excuses for going getting on for twenty years without a league title.

As a fan of a club that's going to be skint for the next 17 years, has to make do with kids, sells its best players every summer and still manages to compete, I am not going to feel all that sympathetic to their plight.
That's your manager's fault though, if he's going to refuse to spend £30M on a player. Can't believe he played Eboue in midfield. Seriously, what the Hell was up with that?!

Liverpool are weird, it seems Benitez has just continued Houllier's tradition of buying a load of average players when they could spend £30M on one amazing player.

Looks like Curbishly could finally be on his way, especially if they lose to Ince's Blackburn. And Chelski could be missing out on Robinho after already selling shirts with his name (how arrogant can you get ).
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Old August 29 2008, 01:50 PM   #576
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That's your manager's fault though, if he's going to refuse to spend £30M on a player.
No, it's the board's fault for trying to make us believe that we have this money when we clearly don't. We are not falling for it anymore.
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Old August 29 2008, 02:13 PM   #577
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I assume you've seen this but I'll link it for anyone who hasn't.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...al/7587530.stm

And if you bought a recognised player you'd recoup a lot with merchandising.

And don't complain about having no money. You just got a Champions League windfall. I know you've got a lot of debt on your stadium but at least it's all structured. It's not like you can't take a gamble and sign someone.
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Old August 29 2008, 02:22 PM   #578
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^Wenger will never gamble millions on a player again.

He got seriously burned with Richard Wright and Francis Jeffers. Arsenal ended up letting both of them go for nothing after spending £4.5m and £7.5m on them respectively. He always talks about resale value when he's linked with a player too.
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Old August 29 2008, 02:50 PM   #579
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^Wenger will never gamble millions on a player again.

He got seriously burned with Richard Wright and Francis Jeffers. Arsenal ended up letting both of them go for nothing after spending £4.5m and £7.5m on them respectively. He always talks about resale value when he's linked with a player too.
You spent a lot of Reyes & Wiltord and they are considered flops so that might be a little harsh on Reyes.

Can anyone think of a 4th midfielder ENG can take ?

Barry, Lampard, Jenas, ??? (Carrick, Gerrard & Hargreaves out) we might need U21 star here.
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Old August 29 2008, 02:56 PM   #580
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Was Wiltord a flop? I thought he was quite well regarded.

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That's your manager's fault though, if he's going to refuse to spend £30M on a player.
No, it's the board's fault for trying to make us believe that we have this money when we clearly don't. We are not falling for it anymore.
What if the money is available? It sounds like they are sick of taking the blame for Arsene's intransigence in the transfer market. It's not the first time they have publicly said the money is there, so they'd look pretty stupid if he called their bluff and they couldn't come up with it.

He doesn't have to spend £30 million, just enough to get the midfielder everyone but Wenger thinks the team needs.
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Old August 29 2008, 03:00 PM   #581
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^Wiltord cost what he did because of his reputation at the time, he had just scored in the Euro 2000 final, after all.

I don't want some silly money player, just somebody experienced who can hold down the line until Denilson and Diaby are ready.
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Old August 29 2008, 03:24 PM   #582
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Everton are signing Louis Saha. Did the physios revolt when Johnson got sold do you think?

UEFA Cup draw:
AC Milan v FC Zurich
Politehnica Timisoara v Partizan Belgrade
Hertha Berlin v St Patricks
Banik Ostrava v Spartak Moscow
Metalist Kharkiv v Besiktas
Portsmouth v Guimaraes (Vitoria)
Kayserispor v PSG
Sevilla v SV Red Bull Salzburg
Wolfsburg v Rapid Bucuresti
Sampdoria v FBK Kaunas
Maritimo v Valencia
Dinamo Zagreb v Sparta Prague
Man City v Omonia Nicosia
Young Boys v Club Brugge
AS Nancy v Motherwell
Everton v Standard Liege
Napoli v Benfica
AC Bellinzona v Galatasaray
NEC v Dinamo Bucuresti
Racing Santander v FC Honka
APOEL Nicosia v Schalke 04
Litex Lovech v Aston Villa
FK Austria Magna v Lech Poznan
Vitoria Setubal v Heerenveen
SK Brann v Deportivo La Coruna
Slavia Prague v Vaslui
Slaven Koprivnica v CSKA Moscow
Brondby v Rosenborg
Cherno More v VfB Stuttgart
Rennes v FC Twente
Ajax v Borac
Tottenham v Wisla Krakow
FC Copenhagen v FC Moscow
MSK Zilina v Levski Sofia
Borussia Dortmund v Udinese
Braga v Artmedia Petrzalka
Feyenoord v Kalmar FF
Hamburg v Unirea Urziceni
Hapoel Tel-Aviv v Saint Etienne
FC Nordsjaelland v Olympiacos

No massive concerns for British clubs all round really - except Everton, who've got one of those ties that makes me wonder if it really is a fixed draw I'm sure King Louis will despatch them with ease...
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Old August 29 2008, 03:34 PM   #583
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Was Wiltord a flop? I thought he was quite well regarded.
Not a flop in my book. He scored important goals at important times, including one of my all time favorites, the winner at OT to win the title. Doesn't get better than that. He played for a much better Arsenal side, so suffered in comparison, but would easily have started in the current Arsenal team.

I believe the Club has 30 million to spend. But Arsene almost has a psychological block against spending that big for players, feels its not good business. But I think sometimes he can't see the forest for the trees. Winning titles, even with expensive players, is good business.

But, I haven't counted out him signing more players, or at least one. A quick review of Arsenal's transfers shows that there is often a last minute surprise.
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^Wenger will never gamble millions on a player again.

He got seriously burned with Richard Wright and Francis Jeffers. Arsenal ended up letting both of them go for nothing after spending £4.5m and £7.5m on them respectively. He always talks about resale value when he's linked with a player too.
And Reyes too. Maybe it'd be better if he hadn't studied economics. But I think he should gamble because they clearly need another midfielder, if they don't then why is Eboue playing there.
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Old August 29 2008, 03:56 PM   #585
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Actually maybe a little harsh on Wiltord and not Reyes...

Wiltord

176 PL games = 49 PL Goals (4 seasons)
around a goal every 3.5 games, which looks ok at best until you take into account he cost £13 million back in 2000 (a lot of money back then especially for Arsenal, infact club record at the time I think).

Reyes

69 PL games = 16 goals (2 & half seasons because spent one year away out on loan)
£10.5 million with addons that could rise as high as £15-17 millon but I dunno how much they did end up paying after the £10.5. Also wasn't he brought as a striker and then moved to the wing when he couldn't score ?
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