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Old August 6 2008, 03:43 PM   #391
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^Soon to be vacant ? Paul Ince has just got the job. He'll get a year at least. David Moyes has just signed a new contract. It will take more than one bad season to oust him.
Moyes hasn't signed yet, he's getting no backing from the board, and has a paper thin squad. The club is in serious unrest. I should I think he's more likely to walk rather than be pushed.

Ince is untried and may well be out of his depth. He's reportedly failed to convince the squad so far. If they have a bad start to the season, the board might kneejerk him out.


Some predicions.

1. Chelsea. By far the biggest and best squad. They were so close to a treble last season with a limited manager. If Scolari proves his quality, they can go all the way.
2. Mancs. Ronaldo out for two months, and perhaps still off to Madrid, and some early injuries and suspentions might mean they have a slow start. I think they might be worried about their depth in defence after Pique's exit and might be short up front, but they still have the quality to mount a serious challenge.
3/4 Arsenal and Liverpool, but I'm not sure in what order. If Liverpool can continue where they left off, they might challenge past Christmas, but if Arsenal's young signings can step up, they could sneak ahead. Still perhaps worries about squad depth, particularly in defence. On the other hand, Eduardo's return could mean they get stronger as the season progresses. I think the top four will be closer than we've seen for a long time.
5. Man City. A good manager, a good defence and a good attack. They need to avoid the second half slump. I think they'll still be some way off fourth.
6. Pompey. I fancy them this year. Crouch and Defoe should strike up a good partnership.
7. Villa. Still going to score bucket loads, even if they loose Barry and have Bouma out for a while. Friedel is an upgrade on Carson.
8. Spurs. Still don't have a reliable defence or any steel in midfield. Should do better than last year though.
9. West Ham. Providing Bellamy and Ashton stay fit. They played some truly awful football and still managed tenth, so I don't forsee problems. They lack the quality for Europe imo.
10. Blackburn. Losing Bently and especially Friedel is a big loss, so they need Robbo to step up and regain his form. I think Brad was worth a lot of points to them last season. Question marks over Ince, but they shouldn't be in any real trouble if they play to their capabilities.
11. Everton. I think they will have a tough job matching their 5th place from last season. No midfield to speak of, and a very thin squad.
12. Newcastle. Another year of uncertainty over the manager and the ownership beckons.
13. Fulham. Should have an easier time of it.
14. Sunderland. Keane's improved the squad, but goals might remain a problem.
15. Wigan.
16. Middlesbrough. Some good players, but I think Southgate will regret no buying a goalkeeper.
17. West Brom. I think they have more about them, and have a decent manager. Should manage it, just.
18. Bolton. Megson made them hard to beat, but I don't think they'll get enough goals to stay up. They may regret blowing their chance in Europe last season. It could be their last for a long time.
19. Hull. Some decent signings, but I can't see them staying up.
20. Stoke. I don't think they have anything like enough quality. They might do better than Derby, though that's skant consolation.

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Old August 6 2008, 08:37 PM   #392
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11. Everton. No midfield to speak of, and a very thin squad.
May have a small midfield but these 3 are quality...

Tim Cahill, Mikel Arteta and Steven Pienaar

Also Phil Neville, Leon Osman and even Phil Jagelika can fill in those roles with decent effect but I agree Moyes is short of 2 signings.
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Old August 6 2008, 09:06 PM   #393
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11. Everton. No midfield to speak of, and a very thin squad.
May have a small midfield but these 3 are quality...

Tim Cahill, Mikel Arteta and Steven Pienaar

Also Phil Neville, Leon Osman and even Phil Jagelika can fill in those roles with decent effect but I agree Moyes is short of 2 signings.
They need a replacement for Carsley. He did a great job for them, very underrated in fact.

And I don't know what I was thinking - Man City won't even nearly finish fifth.
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Old August 6 2008, 10:40 PM   #394
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One of the most tiresome transfer speculations in the history of football is over. Ronaldo confirms he will stay at United.

"Sir Alex Ferguson heard my arguments, I heard his and, in fact, it was settled that the best for both parties would be for me to stay," he said.
"Therefore, I can confirm that, next season, I will play for Man United."
Even so, I can't imagine the supporters are too happy with him. Ask Adebayor after his initial reception at the Emirates Cup. He's discovered fan's adoration is not to be taken for granted no matter what degree of frantic badge kissing one does after the fact.
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Old August 6 2008, 11:24 PM   #395
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He's just going to sulk through the year and then this whole thing will replay itself next summer.
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Old August 7 2008, 08:47 AM   #396
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sad news for all...

Sir Bobby Robson has admitted he will lose his battle with lung cancer 'sooner rather than later'.
The former England, Newcastle and Ipswich boss has been battling a fifth bout of the illness and has accepted doctors' prognosis that he is unlikely to beat it.
He told The Sun: "I have accepted what they have told me and I am determined to make the most of what time I have left.
A true legend
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Old August 7 2008, 08:49 AM   #397
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That's all I can say about that.
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Old August 7 2008, 09:41 AM   #398
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That is really sad. I hope he has a good last few months/years. A real legend, as you say, one of my favourite people in football.
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Old August 7 2008, 09:43 AM   #399
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11. Everton. No midfield to speak of, and a very thin squad.
May have a small midfield but these 3 are quality...

Tim Cahill, Mikel Arteta and Steven Pienaar

Also Phil Neville, Leon Osman and even Phil Jagelika can fill in those roles with decent effect but I agree Moyes is short of 2 signings.
They need a replacement for Carsley. He did a great job for them, very underrated in fact.

And I don't know what I was thinking - Man City won't even nearly finish fifth.
I don't know what you were thinking either

And I'd take into account the fact Cahill is very injury-prone as well - definitely need some cover if not a replacement.

EDIT - also no one has mentioned the League Two news that Rotherham have been docked 17 points (naturally administration issues and stuff). So that league now starts with them on -17 and Luton on -30. Bournemouth may yet lose points too later this week. If they do, I'd say that's relegation over and done with from the off. The promoted teams will have no fear at all, and the likes of Notts County and Chester and Dag & Red who are down there most years will also have little to worry about.
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Old August 7 2008, 10:27 AM   #400
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EDIT - also no one has mentioned the League Two news that Rotherham have been docked 17 points (naturally administration issues and stuff). So that league now starts with them on -17 and Luton on -30. Bournemouth may yet lose points too later this week. If they do, I'd say that's relegation over and done with from the off. The promoted teams will have no fear at all, and the likes of Notts County and Chester and Dag & Red who are down there most years will also have little to worry about.
I do wonder how the hell does docking points help a team reslove there situation cause it leads to relegation or missing promotion, which means loss of money and further debts
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Old August 7 2008, 10:30 AM   #401
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It's a punishment, not a help. It's to stop teams doing what Leicester did by getting themselves in to debt paying silly money wages and transfer fees that they can't afford, going in to administration to pay 1p in the pound off of those debts and then getting promoted back to the Premier League debt free.
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Old August 7 2008, 10:37 AM   #402
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Certian clubs like Leeds do bring it on themselves but some just can't help it due to crap TV revenue in lower leagues, falling attendences and some clubs only recently got over all the money issues causes 7 years ago with ITV digital.

Lower league clubs are in worser postions I feel due to this docking points rule. Luton Town will probably be the first English League team to go bust in a long while.
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Old August 7 2008, 10:50 AM   #403
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^It's only Football League clubs that this will affect. It's a Football League rule, not an FA one. It does not apply to the Premier League.
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EDIT - also no one has mentioned the League Two news that Rotherham have been docked 17 points (naturally administration issues and stuff). So that league now starts with them on -17 and Luton on -30. Bournemouth may yet lose points too later this week. If they do, I'd say that's relegation over and done with from the off. The promoted teams will have no fear at all, and the likes of Notts County and Chester and Dag & Red who are down there most years will also have little to worry about.
I do wonder how the hell does docking points help a team reslove there situation cause it leads to relegation or missing promotion, which means loss of money and further debts
It's an especially ridiculous punishment when all the problems were made by the previous administration, as is the case with Luton. The alternative to accepting the points deduction, IIRC, is getting kicked out of the league or even having the club dissolved (similar to what happened to Gretna I think).

Throw in the fact Rotherham now also pay an additional £750.000 a year (I think) to keep playing at the Don Valley Stadium in Sheffield, and have to go back to Rotherham in the next four years or risk getting kicked out of the league as well, it all looks pretty bleak for them.

All of it is an utter sham and is kicking football clubs left right and centre.
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Maybe so, but I'd still introduce it and some very strict rules on financial management to the Premier League as well.
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