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Old July 27 2008, 07:56 PM   #331
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Re: (UEFA) Football Thread - Football not Soccer

Personally I think the UEFA Cup this year is going to be better than the Champions League. I don't have a list of all the teams in it to hand but there are some real quality teams in there this year, not least Milan.

It's still my dream that Steve McClaren-managed FC Twente will draw either Arsenal or Liverpool in the CL qualifying round and knock them out at the best-named stadium in Europe, the Grolsch Fortress!
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Old July 28 2008, 07:08 PM   #332
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Huge day for the PL transfer market...

From the Spurs official website...

The Club can announce that it has reached agreement with Liverpool FC for the transfer of Robbie Keane. £19m as compensation plus a potential further £1.3m in additional compensation
Great Buy for Liverpool as Robbie Keane has scored over 100 PL goals in his career and for Spurs alone scored oveer 100 club goals for them in all competitions. He has a proven International record with includes 3 World Cup goals.

Other News...

Everton have confirmed an offer has been accepted from Fulham for striker Andrew Johnson, thought to be at least £10 million.
Sunderland have completed the signing of El Hadji Diouf from Bolton
Pascal Chimbonda has completed his move from Tottenham to Sunderland for an undisclosed fee
Sulley Muntari has completed his move to Inter Milan
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Old July 28 2008, 08:09 PM   #333
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Everton and Bolton should both be happy to get the cash for Johnson and Diouf - neither of them are particularly brilliant, and surely £10m for a goal-shy striker with a repuation (however deserved) hitting the deck a bit too easily and a history of injury problems has to be a good deal doesn't it? And Diouf... well, it's very hard to like him.

Tottenham have made a killing in the market as well. They need to start buying now though surely? That's Keane, Robinson, Tainio and Chimbonda now, and apparently Kaboul and Malbranque deals should be wrapped up this week.

Big blow for Portsmouth to lose Muntari, and if reports are to be believed they're going to be missing out on their main targets too.

Keane and Torres is a hell of a strikeforce though - Liverpool have done well there. Are they likely to bring in anyone else now, especially with Mascherano off to the Olympics?
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Old July 28 2008, 08:14 PM   #334
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Good signing, no question. One has to assume the Berbatov to United deal won't take off. I can't see that club selling the both of them.
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Old July 28 2008, 08:27 PM   #335
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Rumors are that Spurs are leading the Villa chase thanks to Ramos and could be set to sign him to partner Berbatov. I think Villa would keep Berbs there for at least one more year but lets not forget Darrent Bent who scored a decent amount considering the number of games he played. If played alot Bent would probably get you a 1-2 ratio.
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Old July 29 2008, 08:23 PM   #336
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With Real now chasing Villa there is no way in hell that the Spurs are getting him.

I think despite Arsenal losing Hleb and Flamini they'll still finish comfortably in the top 4. The Spurs still have the injury prone Ledley King as the leader of their defense. With him most likely in the sideline at some point during the season their defense will ship goals like no other team in the premier league with the exception of the bottom feeders.
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Old July 29 2008, 08:39 PM   #337
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I'm not confident about Arsenal's chances at all, but I don't see Spurs being the ones to do it. I would say that Villa or Everton are far more likely.
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Old July 29 2008, 10:31 PM   #338
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I'm confident Arsenal will finish in the top 4. And I have a whole list of (admittedly biased) reasons I won't go into now. But if a team gets does get bumped, it may be Portsmouth that do it. They seem to be going about quietly putting together a fairly competitive team.
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Old July 29 2008, 10:35 PM   #339
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Arsenal certainly does look like they're in for a tough season. In fact the only things they have going for them is that the summer isn't over yet and there's still time to work a deal or two. Only I'm having troubles thinking of who would want to come to them when they admit they pay below what the market is. Couple that with the fact they haven't won anything in 3 years and it's not looking good. Young, unproven kids I guess are their only option, and it takes time for them to grow, I wouldn't expect much of an immediate impact from them. And it looks like Liverpool just took third, maybe even second in the Prem with and Keane and Torres working side by side.

In a way they're kind of like my Vancouver Canucks - they have obvious, glaring problems (scoring for my Nucks, depth for Arsenal) yet don't really do all that much to address it.

Anyone hear what's happening with Drogba? Is the wanker staying at Chelsea or leaving? I hear something different every day. Hope he leaves, not sure I can bear seeing him pout through another season.
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Old July 29 2008, 11:02 PM   #340
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The question with Arsenal is can they replace Hleb and Flamini. The answer is both yes and no. Hleb was without question the best dribbler in the league and often won the ball high up on the pitch allowing for quick turn around goals. There is no like for like replacement in the world. At the same time, he would never shoot. Ever. Two goals I believe. Anyone who slots in, whether it be Nasri or whomever, will put more balls in the back of the net almost guaranteed.

Flamini is easier to replace and there are players in the squad right now, such as Diaby who are better on the ball. Flamini was a valuable player, but his chief contribution was energy and his comfortable partnership with Cesc. Energy is not difficult to replace. Partnerships form over time.

The key to Arsenal's season will be, as it was last year, staying healthy. If Robin v.Persie plays a good number of games, with his average of a goal every other game, then Arsenal are formidable. If Rosicky can stay healthy then he too adds great strengths. And we are all waiting to see what kind of player Eduardo will be coming off that horrendous injury.

From the current squad, the Mexican lad Vela, who came back from loan, looks to be very useful. And, I am betting this is Theo's year to come good.

This is not a weak Arsenal team. They were 4 points out of first in a year that set records for first, second and third place points.

That said, where Arsenal are lacking is in the back. A back up center back of better quality than Senderos needs to be bought, particularly as the best c back, Toure, deputizes at right back. Song looks like he could be a solution given time in the position. Hoyte does not inspire confidence in me and is not looking the goods in (admittedly very early) preseason so far.
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Old July 29 2008, 11:11 PM   #341
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I think that while you certainly need to replace the losses of Hleb and Flamini, you need one or two more experienced pros coming off the bench - not game breakers mind you, but strong players that can contribute and provide some veteran leadership - something else I thought the Gunners were lacking last year. You can't bank on staying healthy, it's a stupid bet to take - you have to assume you won't be and have the appropriate cover in place.
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Old July 29 2008, 11:19 PM   #342
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Agreed. Seasoned players would help. And no, you can't bank on staying healthy, cover is essential. It is what helped Chelsea attain their titles. But you can hope you don't lose 4 key starters, including two strikers, in the thick of the title race at the same time. Cover is one thing. Shit luck is another.
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Old July 30 2008, 08:32 AM   #343
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What annoys me is that on September 1st last year we had Fabregas, Flamini, Gilberto, Diaby, Denilson and Diarra - six central midfielders that I would not worry in the slightest about playing.

Now we have Fabregas, Denilson and Diaby. If Diaby wakes up to his talent he could be the new Vieira, scratch that - Patrick Vieira could be the old Abou Diaby. Aaron Ramsey says he wants to play central midfield though.

We've only got two players in the first team squad older than 30. We absolutely must keep the injury prone Rosicky, van Persie and Gallas fit and get Eddie back. We have not even begun to see what Eddie is capable of.

I do not worry too much about dropping kids in here and there. We can finally play Carlos Vela in the Premier League now that his work permit is sorted out once and for all and we've got a bomb to drop on the Carling Cup named Jack Wilshire.

Our squad may be young, but we do still have two players for every position if everyone is fit. Wenger has promised a new central midfielder and I think the fans will hold him to that.

In the meantime, David Bentley, football's equivalent of Anakin Skywalker (all the potential in the world but too busy taking the quick and easy path to do it right), will soon complete his journey to the dark side when he joins Spurs.
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Old July 30 2008, 08:41 AM   #344
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Oh, and for anyone worried about Kolo Toure's health:


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Old July 30 2008, 10:52 AM   #345
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I'm looking forward to seeing Vela in action - my Arsenal-loving housemate has been hyping him up for months now and it looks like there's going to be a place for him on a regular basis this season unless Arsenal start buying.

Do any of you know when Eduardo is due back roughly? He's the only Arsenal striker I like.
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