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Old May 4 2008, 10:20 PM   #31
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Re: Daedelus, ala April

That is pretty sweet right there.

I agree with Praetor. Your concept is good, but I'm not sure that Daedalus would be the right ship, but a related one. Can't wait to see your take.
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Old May 4 2008, 10:52 PM   #32
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I rather like the semi-canon Daedalus.

However, since it was only seen as a small model in the background I think a little constructive tweaking of the design is needed. After all, the actual model is quite crude, it could just be Jake's half-assed school project or something. The model may indicate no more than the basic shape of the ship.
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Old May 5 2008, 11:01 PM   #33
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^Jake, that half-ass. I agree.
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Old May 6 2008, 12:33 AM   #34
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^Jake, that half-ass. I agree.
Yeah, obviously Jake got ahold of a kit of an ancient Earth space shuttle and used it to "fudge up" the Daedalus.

(for those who are confused by this... the one seen on screen was largely kitbashed from a Space Shuttle model kit!)
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Old May 6 2008, 06:35 PM   #35
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So, the secondary hull is actually the shuttle's external fuel tank? And the nacelles are the SRB's?
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Old May 6 2008, 06:42 PM   #36
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So, the secondary hull is actually the shuttle's external fuel tank? And the nacelles are the SRB's?
Yep, absolutely. And the front of the secondary hull is something from Home Depot's plumbing department as I recall... if memory serves, it was either a threaded pipe cap or a knob for a faucet.
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Old May 7 2008, 02:17 AM   #37
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OK, here's Aethernaut's take:

Very interesting, indeed.

You know what? I would love to see elements of this design combined with elements of Karim Nassar's take on the Daedalus and Forbin's kitbashed S.S. Reeses.

There are elements in each of these ships that I like which are absent from the others.

From Aethernaut's drawings, I like the lines and the textures. I especially like the connecting tube. Aethernaut made it thick and gave it a distinctive structure.

Karim Nassar invented a another very interesting idea: He took the nacelle pylons and moved them further back on the tube, and moved the tube so it sits on top of the secondary hull, rather then just flowing into the upper-bow of it. I also really like the textures of the hulls and nacelles on Nassar's design, and the shape of the front of the secondary hull.

Forbin's S.S. Reeses is really special. I like how the dish is back on the front of the secondary hull and how the connecting tube is elevated, leading into the very bottom deck of the pseudo-saucerette, thus allowing clearance for the navi-deflector.

I'd love to see a design that combines these things into one post-ENT ship.

It would be neat to see a Daedalus (or variant of same) that has a saucerette like Forbin's, but maybe shaped a little more spherically and with some of the textures from the other two. The connecting tube could combine
Aethernaut's and Nassar's designs, and the secondary hull could put a Forbin-like dish on the front of Nassar's design, with warp nacelles like a cross between the three, if that's possible.
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Old May 7 2008, 03:08 AM   #38
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Very interesting, indeed.

You know what? I would love to see elements of this design combined with elements of Karim Nassar's take on the Daedalus and Forbin's kitbashed S.S. Reeses.

There are elements in each of these ships that I like which are absent from the others.

From Aethernaut's drawings, I like the lines and the textures. I especially like the connecting tube. Aethernaut made it thick and gave it a distinctive structure.

Karim Nassar invented a another very interesting idea: He took the nacelle pylons and moved them further back on the tube, and moved the tube so it sits on top of the secondary hull, rather then just flowing into the upper-bow of it. I also really like the textures of the hulls and nacelles on Nassar's design, and the shape of the front of the secondary hull.

Forbin's S.S. Reeses is really special. I like how the dish is back on the front of the secondary hull and how the connecting tube is elevated, leading into the very bottom deck of the pseudo-saucerette, thus allowing clearance for the navi-deflector.

I'd love to see a design that combines these things into one post-ENT ship.

It would be neat to see a Daedalus (or variant of same) that has a saucerette like Forbin's, but maybe shaped a little more spherically and with some of the textures from the other two. The connecting tube could combine
Aethernaut's and Nassar's designs, and the secondary hull could put a Forbin-like dish on the front of Nassar's design, with warp nacelles like a cross between the three, if that's possible.
All of that is quite interesting, and worth discussion... but this is a thread about APRIL'S TAKE on the Daedalus, isn't it?

While I'm in the majority, I think, in terms of not wanting to see a wholesale tossing-out of the existing variation... let's let CRA do this thing, shall we?

Personally, I prefer the spherical-primary-hull design. I like CRA's take, as an "interim" ship design, but not as this particular ship.

However, it's also worth pointing out that despite the description of the "spherical ship" as the Daedalus class in the Encyclopedia, I don't believe it was ever described that way on-screen. All we KNOW is that the "sphere p-hull ship" was called the Horizon... right?

There's no "canon" support that the Horizon was a Daedalus class ship. The only Daedalus class we know of, for sure, is the Essex... right? And we don't know, canonically, that the Archon was one of these either...

SO... a compromise would be to say that the Horizon was exactly what we saw on DS9... based upon the M.J. sketch. But that the Archon may have been something else. And that the Essex, and all of her Daedalus class siblings, may have been llike the Archon or may have been something ENTIRELY different.

This might also be the S.S. Valiant, rather than the Daedalus-class... after all, the timing would be right... and we know a LITTLE bit about the Valiant (crew complement, general speed capabilities, etc... plus what their recorder-marker looked like!)

Just my suggestions. I really prefer the original... as you can see in this render from years ago by Mateen Greenway (downloaded from the old "Wolfpack" website)


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It's really not a bad design. "Over-greebly-ing" designs doesn't really help them as far as I'm concerned.

As far as I'm concerned, that'll always be the Horizon and the Archon. But whether or not it's the Daedalus... that's a whole 'nother topic.
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Old May 7 2008, 08:11 AM   #39
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Hate to say it, but that pencil sketch upthread is as ugly as the Daedalus model Jein built, if not moreso.
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Old May 8 2008, 02:13 AM   #40
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Which pencil sketch would that be?
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Old May 10 2008, 10:01 PM   #41
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In other news, I just got a semi-new laptop yesterday (a former GSA office drone Dell Latitude CPi, running Win XP Pro with a DVD ROM drive; not bad for fifty bucks ), so once I get it up to snuff, I should be able to cook up something.
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Old May 16 2008, 11:05 PM   #42
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I am currently on the hunt for a slightly updated version of Paint Shop Pro (looking to get 9.0 off of eBay soon).

Once that's secured and installed, work should proceed.
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Old May 20 2008, 03:41 AM   #43
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Wingsley wrote: View Post
darkwing_duck1 wrote: View Post
OK, here's Aethernaut's take:

Very interesting, indeed.

You know what? I would love to see elements of this design combined with elements of Karim Nassar's take on the Daedalus and Forbin's kitbashed S.S. Reeses.

There are elements in each of these ships that I like which are absent from the others.

From Aethernaut's drawings, I like the lines and the textures. I especially like the connecting tube. Aethernaut made it thick and gave it a distinctive structure.

Karim Nassar invented a another very interesting idea: He took the nacelle pylons and moved them further back on the tube, and moved the tube so it sits on top of the secondary hull, rather then just flowing into the upper-bow of it. I also really like the textures of the hulls and nacelles on Nassar's design, and the shape of the front of the secondary hull.

Forbin's S.S. Reeses is really special. I like how the dish is back on the front of the secondary hull and how the connecting tube is elevated, leading into the very bottom deck of the pseudo-saucerette, thus allowing clearance for the navi-deflector.

I'd love to see a design that combines these things into one post-ENT ship.

It would be neat to see a Daedalus (or variant of same) that has a saucerette like Forbin's, but maybe shaped a little more spherically and with some of the textures from the other two. The connecting tube could combine
Aethernaut's and Nassar's designs, and the secondary hull could put a Forbin-like dish on the front of Nassar's design, with warp nacelles like a cross between the three, if that's possible.
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Old May 20 2008, 03:44 AM   #44
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So long as it's properly credited, there's no issue.
OK, here's Aethernaut's take:

THis is what Archer's Enterprise should have looked like!
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Old May 20 2008, 05:48 AM   #45
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Which would bring us right back to the same reason the design was rejected forty-odd years ago, i.e., it's rather dorky overall, no matter how you gussy it up.
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