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Old March 24 2008, 11:27 AM   #31
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Re: Universal Homesexuals?

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last but not lease, Hortas?
Both partners take each other for granite. They'll do anything to get their rocks off.

And a good Horta lover stays hard for a week.
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Old March 24 2008, 04:09 PM   #32
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I am totally in support of same-sex relations. Yes, I use to be homophobic. Well, to be honest, I was male homophobic, but female/female has always been okay in my book. I am old enough now to respect that we are all humans and this is just part of the human condition, so I'm cool with it I guess.

Ahhh the old, "male-male relationships are disgusting and wrong.... but I'm cool with female-female ones, they're all good cause they turn me on" pathetic hypocritical attitude.

Glad you've gotten offer that ridiculous attitude... sort of, it seems.
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Old March 24 2008, 08:46 PM   #33
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Keep this on topic or I'll close it. If I close it, you're welcome to reopen it in the Neutral Zone, but, for it to stay here, you have to be talking about Star Trek (hence the forum, general trek discussion ).
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Old March 24 2008, 08:47 PM   #34
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I am totally in support of same-sex relations. Yes, I use to be homophobic. Well, to be honest, I was male homophobic, but female/female has always been okay in my book. I am old enough now to respect that we are all humans and this is just part of the human condition, so I'm cool with it I guess.

Ahhh the old, "male-male relationships are disgusting and wrong.... but I'm cool with female-female ones, they're all good cause they turn me on" pathetic hypocritical attitude.

Glad you've gotten offer that ridiculous attitude... sort of, it seems.
Yep..a double standard, I agree. But a good one to have!!! wink wink
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Old March 24 2008, 08:53 PM   #35
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There is no homosexuality in the Dominion!

Well actually there wouldn't be. Changelings are asexual and who the heck knows how they reproduce but my money is on the amoeba analogy. Vorta and Jems are deliberately engineered to have no reproductive ability, since that would be a challenge to the Dominion monopoly on their creation via cloning.

As for Dominion subject races, who cares what they get up to as long as they pay their taxes.

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Someone above made a good point. Spartan culture (if I'm not mistaken) and all of pre-Hellenistic greek culture had a strong homosexual element. I don't see Klingons as so far removed from a warrior ethos that would encourage a closeness where lovers would fight fiercely for one another in battle.
The fact that we've seen female Klingon warriors throws some cold water on that notion - the whole battle-bonding thing could be heterosexual (which wasn't an option for the Spartans) tho perhaps not exclusively. I can see Klingons having the attitude that homosexuality is just part of life, who cares anyway, it's more important to obsess about honor and sing drunkenly for hours on end.

Anyway, Trek has depicted homosexuality - sadly, it's been pretty juvenile, just the leather-lesbo cliche in the Mirror Universe (the Intendant, Mirror Ezri).

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Old March 24 2008, 09:13 PM   #36
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Well, this was a big dissapointment. And here I thought this was going to be a thread about people who like to have sex with houses; Alas, I guess I'm still the only person I know who keeps a few copies of 'Better Homes And Gardens' under his matress.

Uh oh, it all comes out now....
Well I did try dating a nice little split level once. It didn't work out; I found out almost too late that she had shingles.
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Old March 24 2008, 09:33 PM   #37
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Re: Universal Homesexuals?

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I am totally in support of same-sex relations. Yes, I use to be homophobic. Well, to be honest, I was male homophobic, but female/female has always been okay in my book. I am old enough now to respect that we are all humans and this is just part of the human condition, so I'm cool with it I guess.

Ahhh the old, "male-male relationships are disgusting and wrong.... but I'm cool with female-female ones, they're all good cause they turn me on" pathetic hypocritical attitude.

Glad you've gotten offer that ridiculous attitude... sort of, it seems.
Yep..a double standard, I agree. But a good one to have!!! wink wink

Nope it's a childish and pathetic one to have, assuming you're being serious.
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Old March 24 2008, 09:38 PM   #38
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Re: Universal Homesexuals?

RobertScorpio wrote: View Post
I am totally in support of same-sex relations. Yes, I use to be homophobic. Well, to be honest, I was male homophobic, but female/female has always been okay in my book. I am old enough now to respect that we are all humans and this is just part of the human condition, so I'm cool with it I guess.

Star Trek has had it's same sex moments. That passionate kiss between Dax and that woman was, well, hot. (Blacked out where I saw it in Mississippi). Then Kira/Ezri and so on....

But...what race do you think would never have same sex relations? Or is it universal. So, to be more to the point; are there gay Klingons? Jem Hedar? Hirogen? Breen? and, last but not lease, Hortas? (hmmmmmm...it would be like watching two pizzas going at it)

Robert
This isn't a flame, troll, or anything designed to be rude. I would just hope that by the time star trek rolls around, we're off this little fad of encouraging what I and many others consider to be sexual immorality.
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Old March 24 2008, 09:42 PM   #39
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Re: Universal Homesexuals?

A number of these comments here are in no way related to the topic. Let us concern ourselves with the matter at hand.
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Old March 24 2008, 09:47 PM   #40
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As opposed to the mods ordering us what to do and trying to censor our comments, wouldn't it make more sense to allow the topic to expand SLIGHTLY beyond it's original premise, thereby promoting good discussion? The topic is about homosexuality, and that's what we're discussing. Could some trigger-happy mods, please take your fingers off the trigger just a tad? Sorry, I hope that doesn't sound harsh.

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This isn't a flame, troll, or anything designed to be rude. I would just hope that by the time star trek rolls around, we're off this little fad of encouraging what I and many others consider to be sexual immorality.
I'm not undestanding you, what do you mean by that?
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Old March 24 2008, 09:53 PM   #41
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As opposed to the mods ordering us what to do and trying to censor our comments, wouldn't it make more sense to allow the topic to expand SLIGHTLY beyond it's original premise, thereby promoting good discussion? The topic is about homosexuality, and that's what we're discussing. Could some trigger-happy mods, please take your fingers off the trigger just a tad? Sorry, I hope that doesn't sound harsh.
I'd like to think that I'm not being trigger happy, nor censoring. In the past I've been particularly relaxed about allowing threads to spread beyond their bounds. I often find it makes them more interesting to read.

At the same time, topics like these can be subsumed easily by discussions already had a thousand times and we do have some responsibility to not always let the original discussion (or Star Trek in general!) become an afterthought.

Hope that helps clear up our behaviour a little.

Certainly the case that I'm taking this off topic now though so I'll shut up.
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Old March 24 2008, 09:53 PM   #42
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This isn't a flame, troll, or anything designed to be rude. I would just hope that by the time star trek rolls around, we're off this little fad of encouraging what I and many others consider to be sexual immorality.
Oh boy ... I'm at a loss for words.
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Old March 24 2008, 11:09 PM   #43
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This isn't a flame, troll, or anything designed to be rude. I would just hope that by the time star trek rolls around, we're off this little fad of encouraging what I and many others consider to be sexual immorality.
Oh boy ... I'm at a loss for words.

Why? Personally I think it's a completely rational view (Especially through our Trek eyes)...A person is allowed to have such views after all, and I find merit in both, equally...Rolly-Eyed-Guy attack (As is the case against those with his or her views are usually met), or not.

Personally I see the world of Trek ridding homosexual tendencies (Via genome and/or psychological altering, however you view it) like they most certainly would rid the tendencies of those attracted to children. After all, can't a case be made that one who is attracted to children is "Born" with the tendency? Or at the very least cannot control being attracted to children (As many of them state)? (And no, before the flames break-out, I'm not talking about acting on those tendencies which clearly cannot be compared due to the obvious adult-adult relationships in one and a potential adult-child relationship in the other).

If it can be treated, and like cancer has been eradicated on Trek, I think it will be, or would be, in the Trek universe. Or if a person choses to keep the tendency, they can...It's a Free Trek World after all.

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Old March 24 2008, 11:17 PM   #44
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You're joking right?
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Old March 24 2008, 11:19 PM   #45
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Non-Trekkie Trekkie wrote: View Post
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This isn't a flame, troll, or anything designed to be rude. I would just hope that by the time star trek rolls around, we're off this little fad of encouraging what I and many others consider to be sexual immorality.
Oh boy ... I'm at a loss for words.

Why? Personally I think it's a completely rational view (Especially through our Trek eyes)...A person is allowed to have such views after all, and I find merit in both, equally...Rolly-Eyed-Guy attack (As is the case against those with his or her views are usually met), or not.

Personally I see the world of Trek ridding homosexual tendencies (Via genome and/or psychological altering, however you view it) like they most certainly would rid the tendencies of those attracted to children. After all, can't a case be made that one who is attracted to children is "Born" with the tendency? Or at the very least cannot control being attracted to children (As many of them state)? (And no, before the flames break-out, I'm not talking about acting on those tendencies which clearly cannot be compared due to the obvious adult-adult relationships in one and a potential adult-child relationship in the other).

If it can be treated, and like cancer has been eradicated on Trek, I think it will be, or would be, in the Trek universe. Or if a person choses to keep the tendency, they can...It's a Free Trek World after all.

Stupid fucking moron. And before any of the mods give me an infraction, this stupid little idiot has basically called every homosexual person on Earth, a 'mistake', one that needs curing. I hope you can understand my little outburst.

Comparing homosexuality to cancer and paedophilia? Grow up you small minded, pathetic little man. And I'd love you to say all that to my face.
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