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Old March 18 2008, 05:24 AM   #16
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Prior to FDR, no president had ever served more than two terms because it's a goddamn impossible job that pretty much drains the life out of anyone who does it for eight years. Having said that, there's no reason, none, to limit the number of terms a president can serve.
Or, we can look at any number of parliamentary systems like Canada, Australia, the U.K., Italy, Spain... no limits of the number of terms that can be served, but that doesn't translate to Prime Ministers for Life, since eventually either the population gets tired and throws out the government, or the ambitious members within the party force the man at the top out. Political turnover is healthy, but in an already healthy democracy, turnover for its own sake makes little sense.

Like I said, reality kept every president prior to the 22nd to two terms, and if another situation comes by where we have/need an FDR to serve four terms, I don't want that stupid-ass amendment to stop it from happening.
IF? I'm thinking of a number between 1999 and 2001...

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Old March 18 2008, 06:28 AM   #17
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^ The terms are four years long, but there's no limit on the number of terms a president can serve.

I have to admit that I did that because I think the 22nd amendment is one of the most stupid-ass amendments Congress ever passed. It was an overreaction to one president who served four terms under unique circumstances. Prior to FDR, no president had ever served more than two terms because it's a goddamn impossible job that pretty much drains the life out of anyone who does it for eight years.

Having said that, there's no reason, none, to limit the number of terms a president can serve. Like I said, reality kept every president prior to the 22nd to two terms, and if another situation comes by where we have/need an FDR to serve four terms, I don't want that stupid-ass amendment to stop it from happening.

But that's just me.
I, on the other hand, find myself eternally grateful to the 80th Congress for putting into place a constitutional rule, and insurmountable barrier, that prevents George W. Bush from ever being elected to a third term as President of the United States ever again for the rest of time.
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Old March 18 2008, 03:06 PM   #18
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I initially agreed with the placement of Resistance, but having just read Q&A, I found something that made me revise that. 'One day before the end of the universe,' Admiral Shelby was reading reports on the Reman ship approaching Outpost 22 on the Neutral Zone. Sometime in March, (the end maybe?) that ship made a suicide run at the outpost, according to AotF. If the ship was still en route in Q&A, that would place it in early-mid March at the absolute latest, and Resistance even earlier. Is this just going down as a discrepancy?
I was aware of that problem when trying to sort out the dates of the previous three novels, but I just couldn't reconcile Resistance taking place prior to March. There were multiple references in RES to several months having passed since the E-E went back on duty. Also, as I said above, it's unlikely that Before Dishonor takes place before June, and there can't be too much time elapsed between RES and BD; if anything, the first chapter of BD suggests that very little time at all has passed since RES.

So balancing those factors with the need to fit these events between sections of AotF led me to the late April/early May/early June breakdown for the three novels. That reference in the Shelby chapter was one detail I couldn't reconcile, but it was just a single sentence or two, not enough to outweigh the other factors. So it just goes down as a glitch.


On term limits, I've long felt that they were a mistake. We already have the power to limit the term of any officeholder -- by voting for the other candidate. But we also have the power to keep that officeholder if we think they're doing a good job. Term limits take away part of our freedom of choice, and that's contrary to the principles of a democratic system.
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Old March 18 2008, 03:35 PM   #19
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^ I'll remind you that you said that when W starts his fifth term in 2016.
I just threw up a little bit in my mouth right there.
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Old March 18 2008, 06:10 PM   #20
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^ I'll remind you that you said that when W starts his fifth term in 2016.
I just threw up a little bit in my mouth right there.
Then my cautionary post has served its purpose.
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Old March 18 2008, 10:17 PM   #21
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^ I'll remind you that you said that when W starts his fifth term in 2016.
Luckily since that is the first sign of the apocloypse(sp) we won't have to deal with him for too long.
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Old March 18 2008, 10:28 PM   #22
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By the time W starts his fifth term he probably will have turned your great country into the beginnings of the Terran Empire *shudders*
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Old March 19 2008, 12:51 AM   #23
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^ I'll remind you that you said that when W starts his fifth term in 2016.
And then that's when, in his next State of the Union address where Congress and the Senate hears it, he'll tell everybody that he 'loves democracy', loves the United States, and to that end, will create a Grand Army of the Americas to deal with the increasing threat from the terrorists, who he's secretly in cahoots with, and will create the first Terran Empire. Next I expect him to shoot out lightning with his fingers and cut down resistance with a red lightsaber.

But back on topic of sorts....Articles Of The Federation is one of the best books EVER! I loved it. And I can't wait to see in the future if Bacco gets to take on 31 and bring 'em down...it'd only be right.
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Old March 19 2008, 01:20 AM   #24
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But back on topic of sorts....Articles Of The Federation is one of the best books EVER! I loved it. And I can't wait to see in the future if Bacco gets to take on 31 and bring 'em down...it'd only be right.
Thanks so much! While there are no plans for a direct sequel to Articles, I can assure you that we haven't seen the last of President Bacco or her administration.
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Old March 19 2008, 01:28 AM   #25
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I've loved the book since the first time I picked it up...I remember picking it up at the same time I picked up Tales From The Captain's Table. It was a great read on the Greyhound I was taking. It's been in my collection ever since. Keith, loved the writing style. I could totally see The West Wing and I know that was the idea. I'm only sorry the book did not sell as well as we all had hoped so we could see a second pure Bacco book, but whatever you guys do with her will be awesome...maybe something in Destiny, maybe?????????

I find it ironic that you got to be the guy that wrote the first story about Bacco after they outsted Zife, and that you also got to be the guy who wrote the first story for Zife after they ousted Jaresh-Enyo. Dang it....I want to read your eBook BADLY! I tried looking for it on all the major websites, and it's all 404 Errors....really startin' to irk me!
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Old March 19 2008, 01:42 AM   #26
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I find it ironic that you got to be the guy that wrote the first story about Bacco after they outsted Zife, and that you also got to be the guy who wrote the first story for Zife after they ousted Jaresh-Enyo. Dang it....I want to read your eBook BADLY! I tried looking for it on all the major websites, and it's all 404 Errors....really startin' to irk me!
Heh. Assuming you're referring to Enterprises of Great Pitch and Moment, it's available at the following places:

Powells (Palm, Adobe, MS Reader)
Fictionwise (Mobipocket, Palm, MS Reader)
Amazon (Kindle)
Sony (Sony eReader)

There's also a link at SimonSays, though it doesn't have the eBook available yet...
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Old March 19 2008, 01:54 AM   #27
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and just came out at ereader

I guess this is the signal for me to go and buy this series.
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Old March 19 2008, 01:55 AM   #28
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Yeah, that's the one. I'll try it again tonight. Thanks. I'm excited to read it.

And I tried Simon Says' links last night and they didn't work...I'll try your links later tonight and hope they work. I'll trust you since you're the author (and I suppose editor too) LOL
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Old March 19 2008, 02:48 PM   #29
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I've read the book 11 times and it's starting to get a little worn.

It's my favourite Star Trek book, and I'll probably be reading the same copy when I die.

Bring back Bacco!!!

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Old March 19 2008, 03:33 PM   #30
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^ As I said above, we haven't seen the last of Nan Bacco, worry not..........
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