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Old August 19 2008, 07:57 PM   #706
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Re: Destiny trilogy - pretty heavy spoilers

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it would make no sense what so ever for the Borg to launch this massive assualt on the Federation and not have Earth and even the entire Sol System marked for extermination.
Perhaps.

But it's still a depressing concept to think about. Isn't that understandable?

Also, what about Daniels? Specifically, "Shockwave" (I and II). Isn't the city that Daniels is using as a base of operations, supposed to be San Francisco?
I'm not so sure about the city in Shokewave being San Fransisco, but even if it was, why should it make any odds if it was, time is fluid, what has occured one second can be changed and then the next everything is different.
I know. We *saw* time being changed. What I am saying is that, assuming that city is San Francisco (and, I believe, it was), Earth is not supposed to be destroyed.

As for the destruction of Earth being depressing, I do not undertsand where you are coming from, given that Star Trek is fictional construct
I know it's only fiction, but I don't particularly care. It still saddens me. Perhaps that happens too easily with me. Fine. I GET IT. You'd be surprised at how little it takes. I would be lying if I claimed otherwise.
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Old August 19 2008, 08:01 PM   #707
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Perhaps.

But it's still a depressing concept to think about. Isn't that understandable?

Also, what about Daniels? Specifically, "Shockwave" (I and II). Isn't the city that Daniels is using as a base of operations, supposed to be San Francisco?
I'm not so sure about the city in Shokewave being San Fransisco, but even if it was, why should it make any odds if it was, time is fluid, what has occured one second can be changed and then the next everything is different.
I know. We *saw* time being changed. What I am saying is that, assuming that city is San Francisco (and, I believe, it was), Earth is not supposed to be destroyed.

As for the destruction of Earth being depressing, I do not undertsand where you are coming from, given that Star Trek is fictional construct
I know it's only fiction, but I don't particularly care. It still saddens me. Perhaps that happens too easily with me. Fine. I GET IT. But I would be lying if I claimed otherwise.

This is still Star Trek, after all. In the end, I prefer hope over bloodlust and carnage.
Ok, I'm far less emotional than I once was and if I was having this discussion a year ago, I would be more understanding of your view point. But who's to say that the distruction of the Federations capital world wouldn't bring the major powers of the Alpha/Beta quadrunt together in a new era of peace and understanding (And no, I am not making fun with that last comment)
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Old August 19 2008, 08:02 PM   #708
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Careful of those guesses...
The name of the Aventine and the other ships of the Vesta-class suggest ties to the Roman Empire and Roman mythology. To me, that connotes a more aggressive posture than say the Luna or Galaxy-class.

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Who ever said that was Earth?
Well, the cityscape does bear a resemblance to devastation of Earth seen in ENT's "Shockwave" and the architecture does look to be human as opposed to Vulcan or Klingon.
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Old August 19 2008, 08:04 PM   #709
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Ok, I'm far less emotional than I once was and if I was having this discussion a year ago, I would be more understanding of your view point.
I mean no disrespect, but...YOU.HAVE.NO.IDEA.

But who's to say that the distruction of the Federations capital world wouldn't bring the major powers of the Alpha/Beta quadrunt together in a new era of peace and understanding (And no, I am not making fun with that last comment)
Good luck with that, with the entire apparatus of Federation government gone, Starfleet Command wiped out, very little left of the Fleet itself, etc. etc.
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Old August 19 2008, 08:10 PM   #710
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... volumes 2 and 3 do have pretty thorough recaps in the beginning to refresh the reader's memory (sort of the text equivalent of "Previously on..." montages).
No, they don't. These were struck, since the novels' monthly publishing schedule made them unnecessary.
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Old August 19 2008, 08:14 PM   #711
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Do they books address why Ezri is no longer on DS9 and the Defiant, or is that going to be left to the DS9R?
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Old August 19 2008, 08:14 PM   #712
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Ok, I'm far less emotional than I once was and if I was having this discussion a year ago, I would be more understanding of your view point.
I mean no disrespect, but...YOU.HAVE.NO.IDEA.
None taken, I know I can be a hard nosed bastard on occasions.

But who's to say that the distruction of the Federations capital world wouldn't bring the major powers of the Alpha/Beta quadrunt together in a new era of peace and understanding (And no, I am not making fun with that last comment)
Good luck with that, with the entire apparatus of Federation government gone, Starfleet Command wiped out, very little left of the Fleet itself, etc. etc.[/quote]

I know it's a very remote possiblitie, and only a handful of people know the entire outcome of Destiny.

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Careful of those guesses...

The name of the Aventine and the other ships of the Vesta-class suggest ties to the Roman Empire and Roman mythology. To me, that connotes a more aggressive posture than say the Luna or Galaxy-class.
Well I had to get atleast one guess wrong and I thought they were just generally named after the hills that surrond Rome!
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Old August 19 2008, 08:19 PM   #713
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None taken, I know I can be a hard nosed bastard on occasions.
And I know that I am too wildly emotional for my own good. I react to things WAY the fuck out of proportion. I fully admit this. I am completely and utterly irrational. There is no excuse for this.

So this may at least partly explain my reaction to these spoilers (if they're true).

At least this one rumor has been debunked (hasn't it?):
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Old August 19 2008, 08:20 PM   #714
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Pretty sure that was confirmed as a joke that got taken literally.

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Old August 19 2008, 08:22 PM   #715
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Who ever said that was Earth?
Well, the cityscape does bear a resemblance to devastation of Earth seen in ENT's "Shockwave"
That resemblence is coincidental and overstated. The artist cobbled together the city depicted on the cover for A Singular Destiny from scratch. (I watched the progress unfold.) He'd never seen "Shockwave," and took no images or inspiration from it.

Having now compared the cover and a frame capture of the "Shockwave" city side-by-side for myself, the similarity would appear to be mainly conceptual: tall, ruined buildings. But the architecture and the execution are clearly quite different.
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Old August 19 2008, 08:31 PM   #716
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Who ever said that was Earth?
Well, the cityscape does bear a resemblance to devastation of Earth seen in ENT's "Shockwave"
That resemblence is coincidental and overstated. The artist cobbled together the city depicted on the cover for A Singular Destiny from scratch. (I watched the progress unfold.) He'd never seen "Shockwave," and took no images or inspiration from it.

Having now compared the cover and a frame capture of the "Shockwave" city side-by-side for myself, the similarity would appear to be mainly conceptual: tall, ruined buildings. But the architecture and the execution are clearly quite different.
And if you were to describe any first world capital city, that would be it. I thought it looked a bit like Corosant from the Star Wars saga though.
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Old August 19 2008, 08:37 PM   #717
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The name of the Aventine and the other ships of the Vesta-class suggest ties to the Roman Empire and Roman mythology. To me, that connotes a more aggressive posture than say the Luna or Galaxy-class.
Not really. Hate to burst your bubble, but the thought process on the naming of that ship and its class went like this:

"Hm. I'm a big fan of the HBO series Rome, and 'Aventine' sounds like a fun name for a ship. I'll call it that."

"Hm. Now I need a name for the ship class. Let's look at a map of ancient Rome and check some sources of Roman mythology. Hey, that's right — one of those hills was the site of a temple of Vesta, and I once wrote an article about a restaurant in Denver called the Vesta Dipping Grill. It's vaguely Rome-related. 'Vesta' it is."

No ulterior motive. No plan to make the other ships of the class be named after the hills of Rome. No particular link between the class name and the ship name. No hidden meaning about the type of ship or Starfleet's agenda. Just a writer swilling whiskey late at night and free-associating while trying to finish a massive trilogy outline before a deadline.
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^ Ladies and gentlemen, the writing process. Don't try this at home...
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Old August 19 2008, 08:49 PM   #719
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^ Ladies and gentlemen, the writing process. Don't try this at home...
Now I know what that missing ingrediant is to write a decent piece of lit, a glass of Whisky (I hope it's actual scotch and not what you colonials pass as Whiskey )
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^ Ladies and gentlemen, the writing process.
Obviously you chowderheads are getting paid way too much.
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