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Old June 2 2009, 08:31 PM   #1021
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

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My personal take on this is that the bridge is made up of a series of consoles which can be arranged in whatever configuration you like. You could, in theory, put the main viewscreen complex (including the two status-monitor panels flanking it) immediately next to the lift entrance... and I suspect that a few captains might prefer things like that!

I'd guess that under April, the Enterprise had the "original intent" arrangement, but that at some point, one of the commanding officers got sick of having people walk into his bridge DIRECTLY BEHIND HIM... giving him that creepy "someone sneaking up on me" feeling. So, they unbolted the consoles in a dockyard at some point and shuffled them around to let the captain look over his shoulder at the entrance.

Not a TRIVIAL change... you'd have to shut down operations on the bridge for a day or two, minimum, in order to do it... but not all that complicated, is it? Especially if you think of each station as simply a computer terminal which is tied into the main computer (which I treat as starting directly below the bridge on deck 2).

Again... the main viewscreen isn't a window, it's a computer monitor. It can sit wherever it's most convenient, and there is zero logical justification for saying "that has to be on the centerline of the ship."
I like this take. I myself wouldn't want people walking in behind me, either.

And for a real world example of something similar, most submarine drivers face to the side.
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Old June 5 2009, 02:58 AM   #1022
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

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And for a real world example of something similar, most submarine drivers face to the side.
Though that's so they can see the water level bubble that indicates the dive angle of their boat. At least on the Blueback (old diesel sub permanantly moored at the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry. I tour it whenever I get a chance. It's neat.

As for the bridge of the Enterprise, 30-odd degrees to the left is inconsequential.


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Old June 5 2009, 09:52 AM   #1023
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

Why do people insist it face forward anyways, besides symbolic...symbolismness?
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Old June 5 2009, 09:17 PM   #1024
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I have no idea. It's not like the viewscreen was a window or anything. (Not in the prime-verse, anyway. )

To me, as a kid, it was always clear that the dome atop the saucer was the bridge, and the single cylinder at the rear was meant to be the turbolift. The whole point of it was to give the audience a sense of scale. Whether the set "actually" fits there in the model(s) is somewhat irrelevant to me, but I think enough people have proven that given the proper scaling it can.
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Old June 8 2009, 08:35 AM   #1025
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

Just for the sake of being Treknobable silly, COULD the 30-or-so degree tilt help out the inertial dampeners? I assume most of their work would be from the forward vector. Would having things rotated would give them a head start in helping keep people in their seats (and we know the Constitutions were pretty bad at this anyway).

Oh, and we need to make sure we recognize that gravity generation was often the first thing to take a dive in high-power demand situations. .80 Earth gravity was often felt during combat operations or high-warp manuvering =)


(I actually really liked the 'captain hated not seeing who was coming in and out of the bridge idea, whoever that was!)
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Old June 9 2009, 06:58 PM   #1026
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

Truthfully, I don't see why they couldn't have just put a second turbolift in. I mean when you consider the bridge is only accessable via one elevator, it looks like a great set-up for a single-point of failure. Generally this is a no-no
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Old June 9 2009, 07:08 PM   #1027
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Truthfully, I don't see why they couldn't have just put a second turbolift in. I mean when you consider the bridge is only accessable via one elevator, it looks like a great set-up for a single-point of failure. Generally this is a no-no
Depending on who's plans you are looking at there are two other methods of bridge access. The first would be the forward-port doorway that leads to the outer service area and then down to deck two. The other would be a ladder well forward of the helm.
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Old June 9 2009, 07:26 PM   #1028
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

Unless you watch Space Seed where they can all be trapped like rats by turning off the turbolift.

Of course TAS addressed this by adding a second door.
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Old June 9 2009, 10:05 PM   #1029
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

If I remember well there a small door in the opposite side..

Shawn, from were you get these images at scale of TOS sets ??? I have a lot of interest on these draws, because I'm doing a 3d (reimagined) TOS hallways.
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Old June 9 2009, 11:31 PM   #1030
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

http://www.trekcore.com/specials/thumbnails.php?album=3

There are quite a few of the set blueprints there (and also a BUNCH of cool Jeffries art).
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Old June 10 2009, 12:08 AM   #1031
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http://www.trekcore.com/specials/thumbnails.php?album=3

There are quite a few of the set blueprints there (and also a BUNCH of cool Jeffries art).
Thanks!!! This things are invaluable for me !!!
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Old June 10 2009, 01:09 AM   #1032
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

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Why do people insist it face forward anyways, besides symbolic...symbolismness?
I think the fact that during both "Arena" and "'Who Mourns for Adonais?'", when the Enterprise was forceably decelerated, the crew on the Bridge was tossed toward the viewscreen; that may have something to do with it.
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Old June 10 2009, 02:48 AM   #1033
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

So the inertial dampers and gravity systems are programmed to orient deck one differently than the rest of the ship?

Solved.
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Old June 10 2009, 03:16 AM   #1034
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

Well, if there were two lifts one could be placed on each side of the centerline and allow the bridge to be pointed straight forward and would put each lift in a position that is not directly behind the Captain.

Plus the TMP Enterprise has it.
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Old June 10 2009, 03:49 AM   #1035
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

The Phase II ship had twin "mickey mouse ear" turbolifts on the bridge module. Clearly MJ agreed.
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