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Old February 21 2009, 12:04 AM   #781
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

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So the TOS Enterprise was only physically able to carry 203 people, and couldn't carry 430?
No, that was just the original plan. The ship is well big enough for 430 people. (Heck, by current Navy standards, the Gray Lady is damn right ROOMY in a lot of respects.)
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Old February 21 2009, 08:43 AM   #782
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

Small update on my progress... this is a better resolution version of the profile of the primary hull at this point.


Oh... and Happy Birthday to USS Mariner!
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Old February 21 2009, 02:25 PM   #783
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

Yay! Happy birthday!
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Old February 21 2009, 06:15 PM   #784
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

Shaw wrote: View Post
Small update on my progress... this is a better resolution version of the profile of the primary hull at this point.


Oh... and Happy Birthday to USS Mariner!
What a nice birthday present.
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Old February 21 2009, 06:24 PM   #785
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

Shaw, what you're doing here may prove to be a new standard in many respects. It could stand alongside and indeed even rival previous "definitive" schematics of the TOS E. I really look forward to seeing how this proceeds to completion.

Regarding your quick little 540ft. E comparison. Yikes! I don't think even the 22ft. fullsize mockup shuttlecraft would fit in that.
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Old February 22 2009, 08:34 PM   #786
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^ That's why my project is on hold for a while. I want the most accurate source material I can get, so I know when and where I'm tweaking things, as opposed to simply blundering through things.
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Old February 23 2009, 12:05 PM   #787
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^^ I've been using Phil Broad's construction drawings (cloudster.com) as a major reference source for my shuttlecraft project. But it's somewhat of a different situation from Shaw's in that I can see what I believe are clearly construction compromises that might have gone differently with more time and money allowed. In those cases I'm interpreting what I think it's supposed to look like rather than what they had to settle for. But as I've stated from the beginning I'm trying to render a "real" shuttlecraft as opposed to just replicating models, sets and mockups. I also think I'm going to have to tackle the interior again almost from scratch to get it all just right and to arrive at a better and more accurate sense of size.
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Old February 23 2009, 08:29 PM   #788
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Warped 9,

I'd have to agree. Shaw's work is outstanding
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Old February 24 2009, 03:47 AM   #789
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Thanks again for all the encouragement guys! I'll get back to this stuff shortly, I promise.
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Old February 24 2009, 11:51 PM   #790
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Old February 25 2009, 04:33 AM   #791
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

Little more progress... I'm attempting to nail down the window placement on the dorsal.


Other things... the width of the nacelle supports seems to be about 4.84 inches, which is an odd figure. After checking and rechecking, I finally realized that it is because I'm measuring the sleeve of the support. The inner frame is most likely 4.75 inches wide.
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Old February 25 2009, 09:16 PM   #792
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

Taking a break from my studies of the 11 foot model (I'm working on the geometry of the dorsal, which can be tedious at times), I thought I would return to the arrangement of the ship itself for a moment.

One of the areas that I'm pretty sure I differ with other people on is the nature of the main navigational sensor/deflector architecture. Most people seem to envision a large amount of hardware supporting the exterior rings and dish directly behind and in the core of the secondary hull. I envision there is a shielded bulkhead there and that the external hardware we see is modular in design and supposed to be easily replaceable.

Further, the three sensor boxes are actually holding and connecting the module to the secondary hull. Their function isn't all that different from that of the umbilical connector between the Apollo command module and service module.


Currently in my sketches I have the front bulkhead of the secondary hull flat, but eventually it'll be concave to make room for part of the module (which was replaced between the pilot and series versions of the ship).

Anyways, I just thought I'd share that concept with you guys.
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Old February 25 2009, 09:38 PM   #793
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I think you might have something there.
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Old February 25 2009, 09:41 PM   #794
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

Okay, that's an interesting idea, even if I disagree with it. On Apollo, the reason for the connector was because they didn't want to put any holes through the heat shield. Did you have a specific reason in mind as to why the connectors on the Enterprise would have to go around rather than through the bulkhead?
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Old February 25 2009, 10:49 PM   #795
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^ Perhaps the sensor/deflection equipment puts out a lot of radiation? If this were the case, I'd have to ask if there is radiation shielding of similar thickness/heft on the underside of the saucer, considering that radiation radiates in all directions.

Interesting idea though, and certainly something that I'd expect Matt to come up with.
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