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February 13 2008, 10:26 AM   #31
Shaw
Commodore

Location: Twin Cities
Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

 Captain Robert April said: Wanna take a stab at setting up some quarters on Deck 7 of my deck plans? That's the one big issue that's been holding me up (well, that and losing my computer in the eviction).
Well, I don't have enough time to work on my own version. Though maybe a Do-it-yourself version of this stuff really is the direction I should go in.

Still, figuring this stuff out isn't all that hard.

If we assume that all quarters are set up as double rooms, and each of those is 15 feet deep and 12 feet wide at the middle, and we round up the 8.5 foot corridors to 9 feet, then you can start making concentric circles, first one narrower 15 feet, then 9, then 15, 15, 9, 15, 15, etc.

Then figure out the radius at the rooms mid-point and the circumference of a circle that big. Divide that by 12, and you get a rough number of how many rooms can go around the deck at that point. Divide 360 by that number and you'll now have the angle of the wall sections.

This is an example of what I came up with after spending a little time playing with this...

The outer most edge is 205 feet from the center (as the outer edge is angled, I guessed at what that might be). Those room layouts can be used as a template, and rotated and broken up as needed to make space for radial corridors, turbo lifts, etc.

 February 13 2008, 04:04 PM #32 aridas sofia Rear Admiral     Location: In San Francisco, Subterra Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans I should point out that my contention regarding needing to double up was based on a layout that has a large number of lab facilities (particularly on decks six and seven, associated with space medicine), "farms" for the natural scrubbing of air and production of non-processed foodstuff, extensive engineering facilities in the saucer, cargo storage in the lower saucer, as well as extensive recreation facilities and more. It is based on my belief that the saucer defines the ship as a starship and not a warship, i.e. that a warship could get by with most space devoted to weaponry, propulsion and shielding, with few crew, while a starship would need many, many people to collect and most of all, interpret data, and that a lot of room -- reflected in the ship's design -- would be needed to support that large mission crew. __________________ The Federation Reference Series
 February 13 2008, 08:22 PM #33 Shaw Commodore     Location: Twin Cities Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans When considering the use of space, specially when it comes down to quarters, I see the standard layout seen in the series to be very versatile. The office half of the space seems to be the primary office/work space for most of the officers (though Scotty may have an additional office in the engineering section). People like McGivers wouldn't necessarily have any place else on the ship to do their work, so it is understandable that she might work primarily out of her quarters. So the use of all that space for a single person would seem to be set aside for senior officers and specialist. I would assume that everyone else would at least double up. And from what we saw of Garrovick's space, I would think that he shares with someone else. The way that the room was filmed seemed to isolate the one half that was occupied by Garrovick. As for attempting to figure out where to place things within the deck, I was considering using the Hull Pressure Compartments diagram as a general guide. Basically, you would move the rooms around to fit within the compartments, and attempt to have at least one pressure door and one turbo lift access to each. I am assuming that when open a pressure compartment emergency bulkhead looks like the semi-triangular opening we see at the end of some corridors.
 February 13 2008, 08:45 PM #34 Data Holmes Admiral     Location: Elitist Social Darwinist Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans I just have to say, I'm really enjoying reading this thread... There's alot of good work going on in here. __________________ Only solitary men know the full joys of friendship. Others have their family; but to a solitary and an exile his friends are everything. -Willa Cather SHADOWS ON THE ROCK
 February 13 2008, 09:31 PM #35 TIN_MAN Fleet Captain Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans Hey Shaw, me again. I know this is a preliminary sketch, but it looks like you forgot to leave spacing for the bathrooms?
February 13 2008, 09:36 PM   #36
therealfoxbat
Commander

Location: Las Vegas, NV
Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

 TIN_MAN said: Hey Shaw, me again. I know this is a preliminary sketch, but it looks like you forgot the bathrooms?
That's what airlocks are for...
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February 13 2008, 09:40 PM   #37
Data Holmes

Location: Elitist Social Darwinist
Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

therealfoxbat said:
 TIN_MAN said: Hey Shaw, me again. I know this is a preliminary sketch, but it looks like you forgot the bathrooms?
That's what airlocks are for...
I've seen it said that they don't need bathrooms, they have transporters take care of that...
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February 13 2008, 09:51 PM   #38
middyseafort

Location: The Bay Area
Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

therealfoxbat said:
 TIN_MAN said: Hey Shaw, me again. I know this is a preliminary sketch, but it looks like you forgot the bathrooms?
That's what airlocks are for...
Just as long as the airlocks are at the head of the ship!

February 13 2008, 10:10 PM   #39
therealfoxbat
Commander

Location: Las Vegas, NV
Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

hutt359 said:
therealfoxbat said:
 TIN_MAN said: Hey Shaw, me again. I know this is a preliminary sketch, but it looks like you forgot the bathrooms?
That's what airlocks are for...
I've seen it said that they don't need bathrooms, they have transporters take care of that...
Except transporters don't give you that truly awesome ***FLUSH!!!*** sound that makes the whole ship rattle...

 middyseafort said: Just as long as the airlocks are at the head of the ship!
No way! You do NOT want the airlocks at the head of the ship! That falls squarely in the realm of (bleep)-ing into the wind...

(And just imagine the poor red-shirted guy whose job it is to go outside in a spacesuit and scrape all the airlock residue off the hull...)
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 February 13 2008, 10:23 PM #40 Shaw Commodore     Location: Twin Cities Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans The preliminary sketch was to illustrate getting the rooms sized correctly for each of the concentric rings of cabins... their placement on the diagram itself is totally random and not intended to represent their actual placement within the ship. My suggestion for anyone playing with this stuff on their own is to grab one cabin from each ring, and copy paste as many (or as little) as you think you need. I would guess that you could include a space between every other cabin for a bathroom... with two cabins sharing one. But yeah, this thread and the images within it are in no way intended to represent a final product... this is all just brainstorming and data collection (not all that different from what I did in the three-footer thread). Besides, I'm not planning on filling in stuff that we didn't see in the show. What could have been behind that door in the cabin was never stated, and I'm not even planning on finishing two or three wall sets for this. It is just to see how this stuff might have fit using strictly what we could get from the show.
February 13 2008, 10:30 PM   #41
therealfoxbat
Commander

Location: Las Vegas, NV
Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

 Shaw said: The preliminary sketch was to illustrate getting the rooms sized correctly for each of the concentric rings of cabins... their placement on the diagram itself is totally random and not intended to represent their actual placement within the ship. My suggestion for anyone playing with this stuff on their own is to grab one cabin from each ring, and copy paste as many (or as little) as you think you need. I would guess that you could include a space between every other cabin for a bathroom... with two cabins sharing one. But yeah, this thread and the images within it are in no way intended to represent a final product... this is all just brainstorming and data collection (not all that different from what I did in the three-footer thread). Besides, I'm not planning on filling in stuff that we didn't see in the show. What could have been behind that door in the cabin was never stated, and I'm not even planning on finishing two or three wall sets for this. It is just to see how this stuff might have fit using strictly what we could get from the show.
I guess that means the bathrooms will be outside the hull just behind the camera crews...
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 February 13 2008, 10:34 PM #42 Shaw Commodore     Location: Twin Cities Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans ... or in some cases people's trailers.
 February 14 2008, 05:15 AM #43 Shaw Commodore     Location: Twin Cities Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans So, without spending too much time on this, I wanted to see what a possible corridor and turbolift network might look like on my largest deck (Deck 5). The two major constraints are the room depth (all being about 15 feet to match the cabin depth in this example) and the Pressure Hull Compartment layout. This is what I came up with.
 February 14 2008, 06:07 AM #44 Captain Robert April Vice Admiral   Location: In selfless service to fandom, on the road to becoming a Star Trek trivia god... Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans That should actually be useful, thanks. Now all I need is a computer to do the rest of the work.
February 14 2008, 06:59 AM   #45
middyseafort

Location: The Bay Area
Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

therealfoxbat said:
 middyseafort said: Just as long as the airlocks are at the head of the ship!
No way! You do NOT want the airlocks at the head of the ship! That falls squarely in the realm of (bleep)-ing into the wind...

(And just imagine the poor red-shirted guy whose job it is to go outside in a spacesuit and scrape all the airlock residue off the hull...)

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