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Old April 22 2008, 07:58 PM   #451
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

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they are based on Gary Kerr's excellent work ...

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I would love to be able to see this work.
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Old April 23 2008, 05:58 PM   #452
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Credit to MGagen for pointing out that even better than the two stalwart 1701 plans is that done by Thomas Sasser for the Polar Lights 1/1000 kit. I went over all three with hundreds of photos of the 11 foot model and various photo orthographic tools, and can say that I agree with MGagen -- Sasser got the details right where the others differed.
Thanks, Aridas.

I'd like to clarify this a bit: The Polar Lights decal placement guide, while quite small, is the most accurate of the publicly available plans.

The main reason for this is that they are based on Gary Kerr's excellent work ...

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I think it might be a bit of a public service, then, to point out the deliberate errors that Mr. Sasser put in that decal placement guide, for the express purpose of hamstringing efforts like this one, so that the appropriate corrections can be made.
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Old April 30 2008, 06:28 AM   #453
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

So I don't want you guys to think I forgot this stuff... I've just been really busy with a ton of other things lately.

I have been thinking about how to brake up the secondary hull into unique compartments and what might go into which compartment. This sort of gives an idea of where I'm at right now.


I've included a number of slices across the hull to illustrate how the compartments (and decks) are arranged within the hull (specially as in some areas there are open areas that are more than a standard deck high).

Engineering is basically the core of the hull, with sections on either side (just towards the aft) that would serve as storage areas (and are associated with parts of the hull with few windows). Engineering also includes the compartment that meets with the nacelle supports (which I envision as where Scotty was working in a Jefferies Tube in That Which Survives).

It is funny, if most of the engineering areas were relocated to their TMP locations, then the vacated areas would make up the large open areas seen in the refit Enterprise. And the turbolift tubes as I have them currently aren't too far off either (about 15 meters or so forward of the ones seen in TMP I'm guessing). Even though this is all coincidence, it is still interesting that those aspects even remotely match up at all.
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Old April 30 2008, 01:39 PM   #454
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Shaw, this is just wicked stuff!. First CRA, then aridas and now you.
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Old April 30 2008, 11:25 PM   #455
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I can't wait to see all of these blueprint sets completed!

I always love your stuff, Shaw! You put a ton of thought and effort into it that puts anything I would ever draw to shame.
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Old April 30 2008, 11:50 PM   #456
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Me likey the secondary hull concepts a lot! They make a lot of sense and gel with notions that I've always held true. I can't wait for more!!!
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Old May 1 2008, 12:58 AM   #457
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

About those turbo lift shafts, It's always been my understanding that the exposed shafts in ST:TMP represented 'artifacts' from the refitting? In other words, the shafts were in the same place they always were, but the bulkheads and what not had been moved around or removed altogether, so your right on track it seems!
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Old May 1 2008, 05:15 AM   #458
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About those turbo lift shafts, It's always been my understanding that the exposed shafts in ST:TMP represented 'artifacts' from the refitting?
That's an interesting assumption. Of course, we have no way of knowing if that "really" happened.
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Old May 1 2008, 12:49 PM   #459
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Great work!
In your unknown locations I'll add: main security/brig
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Old May 1 2008, 12:56 PM   #460
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Great work!
In your unknown locations I'll add: main security/brig
"The Enterprise Incident" suggested that the brig or some other holiding facility was located on Deck 2. On the other hand, that turbolift ride from the bridge (traditionally Deck 1) and Deck 2 was awfully lenthy.
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Old May 1 2008, 12:56 PM   #461
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Great work!
In your unknown locations I'll add: main security/brig
"The Enterprise Incident" suggested that the brig or some other holding facility was located on Deck 2. On the other hand, that turbolift ride from the bridge (traditionally Deck 1) and Deck 2 was awfully lengthy.
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Old May 1 2008, 02:23 PM   #462
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About those turbo lift shafts, It's always been my understanding that the exposed shafts in ST:TMP represented 'artifacts' from the refitting?
That's an interesting assumption. Of course, we have no way of knowing if that "really" happened.
Well, the "real" question, of course, is whether anybody in the producion design for ST:TMP gave much thought to things like this, or were they simply coming up with futuristic designs without much thought to the history of the material? (That is, that it was suppused to be a refit and therefore might exibit certain peculiarites in appearance that would be the tell-tale signs of just such a refiting?)

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Old May 2 2008, 12:22 AM   #463
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Great work!
In your unknown locations I'll add: main security/brig
"The Enterprise Incident" suggested that the brig or some other holiding facility was located on Deck 2. On the other hand, that turbolift ride from the bridge (traditionally Deck 1) and Deck 2 was awfully lenthy.
The Romulan Commander offered to take her rightful place in the brig. Kirk, on the other hand, had Spock escort her to her "quarters", which tells me that they put her up in the VIP quarters; the two poor shlubs, one of whom was still in his Romulan skivvies when the Enterprise went warping thataway from the Romulan ships, they were in the brig.

I take Kirk's gesture as 1) a token of respect from one commander to another, and 2) a good way to keep the good commander away from a couple of rather cheesed off troops, who might just convince her to join them in an illadvised attempt to escape and seize the ship.

As for the length of time it took for the turbolift to drop one measley deck, maybe Spock was taking the scenic route, while the aforementioned quarters were being prepared. OR, once she came on board, certain protocols were put in place, whereas it was required to give specially coded, and therefore misleading, commands to any turbolift that any of the aforementioned Romulans happened to be in, thereby at least frustrating any attempts by the commander, or those two other Romulans for that matter, of figuring out the internal arrangement of the ship. "Deck Two" in this case could actually be instructing the turbolift to head to Deck 7, by way of the secondary hull, pausing briefly by the impulse engines.


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Old May 4 2008, 02:18 AM   #464
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

Thanks again for the encouragement from everyone!

Yeah, I pretty much see the deck 2 reference as being dignitaries' staterooms. I would guest that Kirk had Uhura sent the turbolift down to the loop in a holding pattern so that a room could be prepared by the time she got there. Plus there isn't a lot of places to go on deck 2, so there wouldn't really be much of a point for Spock to walk her all the way to the room, specially if her escort would have been waiting for her anyways.
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Old May 4 2008, 07:31 PM   #465
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Thanks again for the encouragement from everyone!

Yeah, I pretty much see the deck 2 reference as being dignitaries' staterooms. I would guest that Kirk had Uhura sent the turbolift down to the loop in a holding pattern so that a room could be prepared by the time she got there. Plus there isn't a lot of places to go on deck 2, so there wouldn't really be much of a point for Spock to walk her all the way to the room, specially if her escort would have been waiting for her anyways.
Another possibility is that the Deck 2 reference was intended to be the second-lowest deck within the ship, or the second-lowest deck within the primary hull (since TOS occasionally distinguished between "decks" and "engineering levels"). Although it's likely that the more militarily minded writers and producers of the original series ascribed to the "Deck 1 is at the top" assumption, as hinted in The Making of Star Trek, going by on-screen references alone, a starship's bridge was never explicitly shown to be on Deck 1 until ST:TNG. (Yes, there's a big "A" on a bridge turbolift decal in the early films, but that need not be a deck identifier, and even if it were, "A" and "Deck 1" need not be synonymous.)

I would imagine that most writers and/or producers not familiar with naval parlance might assume that Deck 1 is at the bottom of the ship, unless told otherwise, following the convention used in many terrestrial buildings.

(For more Deck 1 at the top or bottom fun, check out the first scene of DS9's "Emissary," when the Saratoga is hit at Deck 1 -- shown to contain the bridge according to interior shots, but seemingly being the bottom of the ship according to exterior shots!)
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