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Old March 8 2008, 05:19 PM   #1
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The fate of Tryla Scott

Is it reasonable to assume the (to that point) youngest captain in Starfleet history could have survived the events of "Conspiracy"? I have little doubt Riker's phaser was set to kill, but ... with Starfleet Medical's state-of-the-art facilities so close, might she, along with the others downed in that firefight (excepting Merrick, of course; his head 'sploded), have been saved?

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Old March 8 2008, 06:55 PM   #2
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Personally, I doubt it. It would defeat the whole purpose of having to set the phasers that high to begin with. I think Star Trek: The Magazine also suggested that the parasites eventually burned their bodies out, because they stimulated the brain's adrenaline production to give their hosts unusual strength. That would also explain the memory problems.
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Old March 8 2008, 08:35 PM   #3
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Re: The fate of Tryla Scott

Admiral Quinn was shot with a phaser set on kill, yet he survived.

The same bug that gave the possessed officers such strength, must have kept them from actually being killed by those phaser shots.

So the others could also have survived. Except for Remmick, of course.
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Old March 8 2008, 11:42 PM   #4
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Actually, there's no real evidence to indicate that Quinn survived a phaser set on kill. Instead, it's quite possible Crusher's was set for heavy stun, which would no doubt be the default when going into such a situation; but when he resisted her initial hit, she was smart and distant enough to employ a strategy of keeping the beam trained on him until he dropped, both host and parasite overwhelmed by the sheer amount of energy absorbed.

It'd be highly unlikely that Quinn could resist a phaser set on kill for long seconds and survive while Scott was taken down by a short burst. She was younger and no doubt stronger.
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Old March 8 2008, 11:43 PM   #5
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Personally, I doubt it. It would defeat the whole purpose of having to set the phasers that high to begin with. I think Star Trek: The Magazine also suggested that the parasites eventually burned their bodies out, because they stimulated the brain's adrenaline production to give their hosts unusual strength. That would also explain the memory problems.
Good points, all. I'm leaning towards "possible, but unlikely" myself.
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Old March 8 2008, 11:44 PM   #6
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But as Quinn proved, the parasite improved the general strength and stamina of the host body enormously. That, and the episode's own evasiveness on the issue, always suggested that Scott remained alive to me.
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Old March 8 2008, 11:50 PM   #7
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But as Quinn proved, the parasite improved the general strength and stamina of the host body enormously. That, and the episode's own evasiveness on the issue, always suggested that Scott remained alive to me.
Indeed. She could have been killed, and subsequently revived before any sort of degradation took place.
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Old March 9 2008, 01:50 AM   #8
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Actually, there's no real evidence to indicate that Quinn survived a phaser set on kill. Instead, it's quite possible Crusher's was set for heavy stun
AFAIK, stun settings of any kind didn't work. The kill setting was required (even then, it only disabled).
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Old March 9 2008, 05:01 AM   #9
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I think Quinn was stunned. Crusher shot him several times to bring him down, and I think she simply suggested kill because it was the only way to take down a compromised officer in one shot.
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Old March 9 2008, 06:19 AM   #10
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I believe that after prolonged exposure with the parasite the host is unable to survive on it's own. It was covered in Lit with the Mission Gamma series. (I know it isn't canon.)

If nobody is happy with that explanation, since it's not canon, then I would assume that after the parasites were dealt with they immediately went to help everyone that had been infected.
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Old March 9 2008, 07:14 AM   #11
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I think Quinn was stunned.
Yeah, he was, but a phaser set on kill was required just to stun him.
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Old March 9 2008, 07:57 AM   #12
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I believe that after prolonged exposure with the parasite the host is unable to survive on it's own. It was covered in Lit with the Mission Gamma series. (I know it isn't canon.)
And may thus be summarily dismissed.

If nobody is happy with that explanation, since it's not canon, then I would assume that after the parasites were dealt with they immediately went to help everyone that had been infected.
Quite possible.
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Old March 9 2008, 08:02 AM   #13
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I think Quinn was stunned.
Yeah, he was, but a phaser set on kill was required just to stun him.
Um ... there's no substantive evidence supporting that, Babaganoosh.

From what I remember, it went down like this:
  • Crusher fired a phaser set on heavy stun at Quinn, who shrugged it off
  • Seeing that it'd had some effect, Bev, with smarts and distance, decided to train a beam on Quinn until he (and his little lobster pal) fell down and went nighty-night
  • Upon examining him, she told Picard that "stun has very little effect," or something of that sort, and advised him to set his phaser on "kill"; Riker, who'd beamed down after having heard her briefing, had already adjusted his weapon's setting accordingly
  • Riker shoots Tryla Scott, whose parasite immediately flees, either because it has somewhere to flee (Mumsie and Merrick are right down the hall), or because Scott is dead/incapacitated and therefore useless permanently/at the moment
Seems to me that:
  • A beam set on heavy stun and applied to a parasite-driven host for long seconds incapacitates both body and Pink Lobster gUidance System [PLUS]
  • Tryla Scott was probably dead (or so near to it as to have become useless to a parasite needing a body right then) as a result of having been hit by a phaser set on kill—which delivered too much energy for a host body to absorb, but was not sufficiently on target long enough to overwhelm a parasite, which then took the opportunity to flee
  • The near magical nature of 24th century medicine, especially that at Starfleet Medical itself, might allow for Scott to be revivified, so long as she'd not already been dead for hours
In other words ... she may have died, or she may have survived. Either is a reasonable direction. It really depends on what the writer wants.

Interestingly enough, though ... the Vulcan, Savar, after Picard's phaser hit, is described in the script (which is not canonical, but gives an idea of the writers' intent) thus: "The VULCAN drops to his knees, finally releasing his grip. He falls over, dead."

Puts yet another twist on this ... but does not prevent revival via the above described method, per se.
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Old March 9 2008, 08:35 AM   #14
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Re: The fate of Tryla Scott

If indeed Picard and Riker did kill off much of the top of the Admiralty in Conspiracy then we can blame them for the number of crazy admirals that appeared in later seasons, possibly as a result of a quick promotion to fill in the gaps of the dead in Starfleet Command.

Perhaps even Norah Satie was promoted to Admiral after her involvement in uncovering the conspiracy and the need to bring up new ranks of Admirals after killing much of them.
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Perhaps even Norah Satie was promoted to Admiral after her involvement in uncovering the conspiracy and the need to bring up new ranks of Admirals after killing much of them.
Norah Satie was an Admiral prior to "Encounter at Farpoint," as she was the one who cut the orders for Picard to take command of the Enterprise. (See "All Good Things...")
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