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Old January 19 2008, 03:09 AM   #91
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Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

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Does anyone else wonder why they're finishing the interiror when they've not yet completed the exterior and why they've already painted on the hull markings before they've even finished building the damn thing?
The screenshot is absolutely believable to me in terms of construction.

Ever seen a tall building go up? They build the raw columns and floor decking first, then start installing the outer skin before any major work is done to the interior. A building might be completely covered in its outer wall and windows before the first drywall is delivered.

Further, the line at the construction elevator is left without skin so large material can continue to be moved inside the building. They don't button up those last bits of outer wall until all the big stuff is in.

This is exactly what's going on in the screenshot.
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Old January 19 2008, 03:49 AM   #92
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Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

Arlo said:
Trekker4747 said:
Does anyone else wonder why they're finishing the interiror when they've not yet completed the exterior and why they've already painted on the hull markings before they've even finished building the damn thing?
The screenshot is absolutely believable to me in terms of construction.

Ever seen a tall building go up? They build the raw columns and floor decking first, then start installing the outer skin before any major work is done to the interior. A building might be completely covered in its outer wall and windows before the first drywall is delivered.

Further, the line at the construction elevator is left without skin so large material can continue to be moved inside the building. They don't button up those last bits of outer wall until all the big stuff is in.

This is exactly what's going on in the screenshot.
Dunno. It looks to me like the interior is somewhat there despite the outter-shell still being underconstruction.

And I still take issue with the registration "decal" being placed before the outerhull is finished but, I guess, it could not be painted on/a decal put actual part of the material itself.

As for moving bulky stuff into the hull (hence the open hull plates) irrelevant and uneeded in an age of transporters and anti-gravity units.

And don't get me started on constructing it in an atmosphere/surface-side.
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Old January 19 2008, 04:07 AM   #93
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^ The point is, the visuals in the teaser are metaphorical (ya know "under construction"), and as such they're using modern imagery. Within that context, it is done appropriately.
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Old January 19 2008, 04:08 AM   #94
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Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

In terms of things like the name/registry already being painted on the hull, and the ship being built on the ground... well, I kind of wonder if it's occurred to anyone else that this teaser may not be 'canon'. Which is to say, that it might not actually depict anything which will appear in the finished film (apart from, presumably, the design of the ship itself). I seem to recall plenty of early teaser trailers for films that featured nothing from the finished product. They're just teasers, just a nifty few seconds of stuff designed to attract attention and generate buzz. Maybe what we're seeing here is more of a 'symbolic' trailer. That being the case, details like ground-based construction and registry numbers are not as worrisome; they're just kind of metaphorical visual imagery meant to invoke the idea of the film being 'under construction'.

I mean, remember the first teaser for TUC? Did anyone think that the final film would feature the Enterprise flying through space with scenes from old episodes being projected on the hull?

I'm not too worried about this teaser. To my mind, the only thing of consequence here is the appearance of the ship itself... and we all knew it wasn't going to look exactly like the old 11-foot model, anyway, didn't we? It's just a matter of how it differs. And this looks recognizably like a riff on the classic design to me. So I'm not too worked up about it.

EDIT: Heh heh... great minds think alike, eh, Arlo?
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Old January 19 2008, 04:18 AM   #95
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Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

By the way, it's "hear" not "here".
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hear

What does hearing, have to do with being *here in this place* we frequent known as Trek BBS that I was referring fans would gather to bash/or cheer this movie?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/here

If the movie is a Ronald D. Moore-style re-imagining (a la GALACTICA) then that opens up a new can of worms. STAR TREK wasn't a half-baked 1970's space fantasy that got cancelled after a year,
Yeah it lasted three... still got the axe all the same. By todays standards many Trek fans should think of that as a flop.

Even if one accepts the notion that TREK needs re-made, I do not see why it can't be based on TOS, instead of TMP or Bermanian TREK.
"Bermanian Trek", its entire model was virtually and literally handed down from GR himself. I wish people would remember that when they start bashing TNG and the model of Star Trek it gave us - That was truly GR's baby, he openly loved it more then TOS. GR disowned TOS long before Berman got involved.

And my statement applies, the majority of those screaming are going to be there in the movie so they can later show up and bash it - they might even go a couple of times...

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Old January 19 2008, 04:21 AM   #96
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The ship looks fine.

I love the aeroplane type engines.

Looking forward to seeing more views.
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Old January 19 2008, 04:55 AM   #97
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Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

Sharr Khan said:
By the way, it's "hear" not "here".
What does hearing, have to do with being *here in this place* we frequent known as Trek BBS that I was referring fans would gather to bash/or cheer this movie?
i believe he was referring to your second use. "I can here it already." just to clarify the nit picking before it gets well out of hand.

okay, regarding the bloody ship. just my 2cp, but i think it looks great. its not exactly like the 1701 of TOS, but nobody's likely to miss it in a line-up at the police station after its mugged them down a dark quadrant, either. its been re-interpreted by new minds and new thinking, as all mythologies must be if they are to survive and their fundamental truths continue to be made relevant. there are so many places where they could really screw up this movie and kill star trek for a generation, and whether or not they've used the right font or put the phasers in the right place is light years away from being the most significant of those. it looks good, it looks compelling, if that's what it takes to continue GR's vision of a fundamentally peaceful humanity spreading through the stars, so be it.
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Old January 19 2008, 05:31 AM   #98
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"Bermanian Trek", its entire model was virtually and literally handed down from GR himself. I wish people would remember that when they start bashing TNG and the model of Star Trek it gave us - That was truly GR's baby, he openly loved it more then TOS. GR disowned TOS long before Berman got involved.
One of the greatest failings of post-Roddenberry Trek was simply that the producers were too conservative and respectful of the style and limitations of previous Trek.
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Old January 19 2008, 06:34 AM   #99
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Holytomato said:Vektor, Gabe, the person who did the April Fool's Day design, and the other person who did the recent fake trailer were correct.
I guess you didn't know that Vektor did the "April Fools" design as well?
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Old January 19 2008, 06:43 AM   #100
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Trekker4747 said:
Arlo said:
Trekker4747 said:
Does anyone else wonder why they're finishing the interiror when they've not yet completed the exterior and why they've already painted on the hull markings before they've even finished building the damn thing?
The screenshot is absolutely believable to me in terms of construction.

Ever seen a tall building go up? They build the raw columns and floor decking first, then start installing the outer skin before any major work is done to the interior. A building might be completely covered in its outer wall and windows before the first drywall is delivered.

Further, the line at the construction elevator is left without skin so large material can continue to be moved inside the building. They don't button up those last bits of outer wall until all the big stuff is in.

This is exactly what's going on in the screenshot.
Dunno. It looks to me like the interior is somewhat there despite the outter-shell still being underconstruction.

And I still take issue with the registration "decal" being placed before the outerhull is finished but, I guess, it could not be painted on/a decal put actual part of the material itself.

As for moving bulky stuff into the hull (hence the open hull plates) irrelevant and uneeded in an age of transporters and anti-gravity units.

And don't get me started on constructing it in an atmosphere/surface-side.
It's ALL metaphor there... hell, they have "Under Construction" in TEXT, ON-SCREEN, describing the film.

So they show the ship under construction too.

I agree that the markings would go on last... but that would sort of lose the whole point of trying to convince the audience that this is the ENTERPRISE.

(Now, if they'd actually given us THE ENTERPRISE, instead of a new design loosely based upon the Enterprise, maybe they could have gotten away without TELLING US that it's supposed to be the Enterprise... whataya think?)
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Old January 19 2008, 06:51 AM   #101
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The ship looks good. I'm not concerned that it isn't a reproduction of the original "Big E" as seen in TOS, detailed for the big screen.

"A fresh start" worked for Battlestar Galactica. The concept of that old show was fundamentally sound, but looking back on the DVD, I see that the execution was pretty lame. But re-imagined, distilled down to its essence & rebuilt from there, it became the best show on TV.

Star Trek as we know it has been run into the ground - maybe it's time to see some Trek as we've never seen it before. I'm open-minded!

(BTW, as to the hull aztecking being too prominent; I like to think that the Enterprise refit seen in TMP was left unpainted, so the hull materials are exposed, like an American Airlines jet. Maybe this version of the Enterprise is before the brief time period when Starfleet decided to paint the ships.)
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Old January 19 2008, 12:46 PM   #102
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Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

So here's a question.

Why did the ship (production wise) need to be "redesigned" at all?

It's a classic, timeless, design that should not have been in changed in anyway.
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Old January 19 2008, 02:08 PM   #103
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Starship Polaris said:
One of the greatest failings of post-Roddenberry Trek was simply that the producers were too conservative and respectful of the style and limitations of previous Trek.
Amen. Except for the initial set-up of the 24th century (TNG), the darker setting of DS9 and outraguous fun of ENT Season 4, the format has barely changed. IMO, especially VOY and ENT had no real distinct 'spirit', and you can easily swap storylines between any of those seasons and no-one would notice. Not to mention that the Delta Quadrant and the Delphic Expanse had absolutely zero to do with the Star Trek universe we know.

And that's why I'm looking forward to this movie. I'm totally ready for some new approaches. I mean.. the original series is still there to enjoy, and so is all the rest. So just give this movie some room for change. I'm completely open-minded at this point, since they seem to be going for an actual new setting and style, as opposed to just some new visuals (as ENT did).

But anyway.. on to the ship . Firstly, I must say they have never filmed any Star Trek ship so dramatically as this. It's huge, it's real, it's made out of steel and sweat! I think that, artistically, that is on a completely different level than wether or not is has aztec panels. At this point in time, I can't say I can be bothered by any of the details. But I think they've hit the right spirit, and I'm eagerly awaiting more.
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Old January 19 2008, 02:09 PM   #104
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For anyone curious, there's an interview with one of the screenwriters about the trailer:

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Old January 19 2008, 02:21 PM   #105
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Trekker4747 said:
So here's a question.

Why did the ship (production wise) need to be "redesigned" at all?

It's a classic, timeless, design that should not have been in changed in anyway.
I think the basic design is timeless but that doesn't mean it couldn't do with a little updating. I sure as hell want to see more than mechanical switches and static view screens when we see the bridge so why should it be any different with the exterior?
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