RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 141,392
Posts: 5,505,373
Members: 25,129
Currently online: 435
Newest member: oorang

TrekToday headlines

Retro Review: The Emperor’s New Cloak
By: Michelle on Dec 20

Star Trek Opera
By: T'Bonz on Dec 19

New Abrams Project
By: T'Bonz on Dec 18

IDW Publishing March 2015 Comics
By: T'Bonz on Dec 17

Paramount Star Trek 3 Expectations
By: T'Bonz on Dec 17

Star Trek #39 Sneak Peek
By: T'Bonz on Dec 16

Star Trek 3 Potential Director Shortlist
By: T'Bonz on Dec 16

Official Starships Collection Update
By: T'Bonz on Dec 15

Retro Review: Prodigal Daughter
By: Michelle on Dec 13

Sindicate Lager To Debut In The US Next Week
By: T'Bonz on Dec 12


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Star Trek Fandom > Fan Art

Fan Art Post your Trek fan art here, including hobby models and collectibles.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old February 10 2008, 10:59 PM   #586
Admiral Buzzkill
Fleet Admiral
 
Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

Report on the ship from ToyFair Germany, according to www.aintitcool.com:

In the special Star Trek room were about 50 action figures, a few phasers, playsets, Spock's ring, Spock's ears and the new Enterprise. The action figures were not the final versions, but you could hardly tell that they weren't from the original tv-series but from the
new movie. Kirk wore his famous yellow uniform (and black trousers), Spock his blue one (a little bit darker though) and Scotty the red one. The Leonard Nimoy Spock had a white monk-like robe, that looked like a variation on the one he wore in The Search for Spock. Highlight was Zoe Zaldana as the new Uhura. She wore the same red communication uniform, but this time the skirt was much shorter and there was much more emphasis on her breasts. In this movie she will give Seven of Nine a run for her money! The phasers and communicators were almost the same as in TOS. Even the sounds were identical. And then: the new Enterprise. As a toy it had a great TOS feel to it. It's a little more "organic" than the original one and I think the two warp engines and the "bite" taken from the central body are a little bit bigger. The floor of the new transporter room is red, by the way. Also shown was another spaceship. It resembled an octopus and could have appeared in one of the Matrix sequels. I don't think it was Romulan.
All consistent with what's been seen and reported elsewhere.
Admiral Buzzkill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 10 2008, 11:07 PM   #587
Cary L. Brown
Rear Admiral
 
Location: Austin, Texas
Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

I'm having a hard time imagining the skirts being SHORTER than the original ones. I mean... if the skirt is shorter, it basically would become "fringe around the waistband of the panties" wouldn't it?
Cary L. Brown is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 10 2008, 11:09 PM   #588
Arlo
Fleet Captain
 
Arlo's Avatar
 
Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

^ You say that like it's a bad thing
__________________
"Even with all its blemishes, Trek XI still teabags the bloated corpses that were Insurrection and Nemesis and managed to make Trek fun again." - Sheep
Arlo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 10 2008, 11:17 PM   #589
Admiral Buzzkill
Fleet Admiral
 
Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

Gotta agree about the skirt - these things originally barely covered the matching underwear. This description is obviously the impression of a single individual - or the action figure may be slightly exaggerated.

Cutting the outfit more snugly around the breasts is certainly easy enough to imagine, if even less supportive of military tradition and decorum.
Admiral Buzzkill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 11 2008, 01:46 AM   #590
Sharr Khan
Rear Admiral
 
Sharr Khan's Avatar
 
Location: USA Ct
View Sharr Khan's Twitter Profile
Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!


Obviously, it's being made of something totally kewl, dude! since that appears to have been the primary consideration, how kewl it looks.
Nope, not like that's ever happened in Trek before... give me a break - ever single F/X model choice despite whatever supposed reasoning was given for it being a certain way was chosen for how it would *look on screen* in the end. Its after all a fiction, not a science lesson.

And I hate the word "kewl".

Sharr
Sharr Khan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 11 2008, 02:40 AM   #591
Trekker83
Ensign
 
Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

Why doesn't Nyota just walk around ^Nude^?

It was a minidress not a miniskirt. I don't believe this part. All pics of the women officers, and cadets show them wearing pants.

What's Spock's ring? :insert drooling on plot point here:
Trekker83 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 11 2008, 03:54 AM   #592
Wingsley
Commodore
 
Wingsley's Avatar
 
Location: Wingsley
Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

Captain Robert April said:
Obviously, it's being made of something totally kewl, dude! since that appears to have been the primary consideration, how kewl it looks.

This is what happens when you start playing games with these kinds of longstanding assumptions, like the bulk of work on the Enterprise's construction being done in orbit. Ya tend to ignore the reasons why that assumption was made in the first place, like maybe it makes a helluva lot more sense to build a ship of that size in orbit. Never mind that nothing in canon spells out the process explicitly, the logical problems alone should be enough to chuck this notion of building it on the ground out the nearest airlock.
Maybe there's some minor plot point that necessitated building it on the ground, like Starfleet executives (I'm mean, Admirals) sitting nearby in their lounge chairs and admiring the ship while sipping Banana Daiquiris or soemthing.

Seriously, though, I hope the images of this ship are not going to be the final product in the movie. From what little I'm seeing here, it seems to be taking on certain of the visual traits that made the TMP refit Enterprise so disappointing. That hull lettering looks so goofy, it's laughable. It's so 1979. Toss out the disco ball and slap on the block lettering! And what's up with that hideous busy assembly around the lower saucer dome? That always struck me to be one of the mistakes of the refit. Bring back the glowing dome, without the assembly!
__________________
"The way that you wander is the way that you choose. / The day that you tarry is the day that you lose. / Sunshine or thunder, a man will always wonder / Where the fair wind blows ..."
-- Lyrics, Jeremiah Johnson's theme.
Wingsley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 11 2008, 03:56 AM   #593
USS Mariner
Rear Admiral
 
USS Mariner's Avatar
 
Location: Homestate of Matt Jefferies
View USS Mariner's Twitter Profile Send a message via AIM to USS Mariner Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to USS Mariner
Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

Starship Polaris said:
Report on the ship from ToyFair Germany, according to www.aintitcool.com:

In the special Star Trek room were about 50 action figures, a few phasers, playsets, Spock's ring, Spock's ears and the new Enterprise. The action figures were not the final versions, but you could hardly tell that they weren't from the original tv-series but from the
new movie. Kirk wore his famous yellow uniform (and black trousers), Spock his blue one (a little bit darker though) and Scotty the red one. The Leonard Nimoy Spock had a white monk-like robe, that looked like a variation on the one he wore in The Search for Spock. Highlight was Zoe Zaldana as the new Uhura. She wore the same red communication uniform, but this time the skirt was much shorter and there was much more emphasis on her breasts. In this movie she will give Seven of Nine a run for her money! The phasers and communicators were almost the same as in TOS. Even the sounds were identical. And then: the new Enterprise. As a toy it had a great TOS feel to it. It's a little more "organic" than the original one and I think the two warp engines and the "bite" taken from the central body are a little bit bigger. The floor of the new transporter room is red, by the way. Also shown was another spaceship. It resembled an octopus and could have appeared in one of the Matrix sequels. I don't think it was Romulan.
All consistent with what's been seen and reported elsewhere.
I love how none of these morons can sneak pictures onto the net.

Could this be the work of Führer Abrams?
__________________
Ignorance is forgivable,
Arrogance is reprehensible,
Narcissism is intolerable.

Subspace Commns Network ~ Visit Marinina!
USS Mariner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 11 2008, 01:39 PM   #594
Cary L. Brown
Rear Admiral
 
Location: Austin, Texas
Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

Trekker83 said:
Why doesn't Nyota just walk around ^Nude^?

It was a minidress not a miniskirt. I don't believe this part. All pics of the women officers, and cadets show them wearing pants.

What's Spock's ring? :insert drooling on plot point here:
Spock's Ring will have a big "L" (for "Legion") on it and he'll be able to use it to fly or travel through time.

See, NOW that makes sense! This is a Star Trek/DC-Comics Crossover!
Cary L. Brown is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 11 2008, 03:42 PM   #595
Arlo
Fleet Captain
 
Arlo's Avatar
 
Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

"spock ring"...oh dear, that is ripe for abuse...
__________________
"Even with all its blemishes, Trek XI still teabags the bloated corpses that were Insurrection and Nemesis and managed to make Trek fun again." - Sheep
Arlo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 11 2008, 04:26 PM   #596
Cary L. Brown
Rear Admiral
 
Location: Austin, Texas
Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

Arlo said:"spock ring"...oh dear, that is ripe for abuse...
Yes, but I'm leaving that particular joke for Samuel T. Cogley, Atty-at-Law... it's more up his alley (so to speak).
Cary L. Brown is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 13 2008, 12:36 AM   #597
Blip
Fleet Captain
 
Blip's Avatar
 
Location: Deck 13, section 21-Alpha
Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

And then some...
__________________
For those determined to contort yourselves into knots so as to include every minor production flub as gospel, and shoehorn it into "cannnonnnnn": STOP. I don't have all day to waste on here; I quite like enjoying real life thankyouverymuch.
Blip is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 16 2008, 06:47 AM   #598
Airartist75
Cadet
 
Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

Hello. I'm new to these forums, but thought I would throw in my unsolicited 2 cents anyway. My only problem with the whole building process shown in the teaser, is the use of stick welders. Sure it looks gritty and all, but Star Trek is supposed to take place in the future, and using a stick welder to build any vessel of that size is simply idiotic by todays technology and standards. Even hulls of ocean liners are welded by machines using lasers. I'm trying to keep my hopes up that this movie won't destroy Star Trek, but if filmmakers aren't even aware of the world around them, how are fans supposed to trust them with the Star Trek world I live in..lol
Airartist75 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 16 2008, 03:18 PM   #599
Cary L. Brown
Rear Admiral
 
Location: Austin, Texas
Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

Airartist75 said:
Hello. I'm new to these forums, but thought I would throw in my unsolicited 2 cents anyway. My only problem with the whole building process shown in the teaser, is the use of stick welders. Sure it looks gritty and all, but Star Trek is supposed to take place in the future, and using a stick welder to build any vessel of that size is simply idiotic by todays technology and standards. Even hulls of ocean liners are welded by machines using lasers. I'm trying to keep my hopes up that this movie won't destroy Star Trek, but if filmmakers aren't even aware of the world around them, how are fans supposed to trust them with the Star Trek world I live in..lol
Not wanting to be "confrontational"... ... but you're mistaken on a few points there.

First off... there's no such thing as "stick welding." There are a variety of different welding processes, but there is no process called that. (I know what you mean, but being technically accurate is important when discussing technical matters.)

What you're seeing here is called "resistance welding." Basically, you apply a high-power electric charge to the rod of "fill material" and the opposite charge to the base material. When you touch the rod to the material you're welding, a current flows. The resistance at the point of contact is the highest in the circuit, so that point is where the most heat is generated. The heat at that point is sufficient to melt the fill material and the base material, and the melted material merges.

It's called "fill material" because there's almost always a small gap between two plates or structural elements where you're doing this, so you form a fillet of "new" material at that point.

Here's what a typical welded joint, using this type of method, would look like in cross-section. You can see the "fillet" and you can see the two zones of "recrystalization" on either side... between the effectively untreated base metal. Of course, the delineations aren't nearly so clear-cut in reality... it all pretty much "blends" together... but it gives you the idea at least.



For a basic primer on welding, this isn't a bad place to start... though it is JUST a primer...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welding

Your comment that this is "old fashioned" and not used anymore is just wrong. It's the most well-understood, most well-developed, most RELIABLE method we currently have. While there has been some work using beam-welding done, and there's even a small amount of "real life" usage of that sort of technology, it's typically used in very small situations (nanotech work). I've used it to make small electrical connections, for instance.

What they'll be using in ~250 years from now is anybody's guess... but it's not unreasonable to assume that they MIGHT still be using the most straightforward process available.

On the other hand... the trailer might be intended to be purely figurative and illustrative.
Cary L. Brown is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 16 2008, 03:42 PM   #600
Arlo
Fleet Captain
 
Arlo's Avatar
 
Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

^ Cary, I love your detailed explanations of welding. I was a studio art major in college, and did a fair bit of welding projects, mostly MIG on big ole sheets and chunks of raw steel. It was lots of fun (except on hot spring days when I stupidly wore sandals, and had tiny little sparks hitting my feet )
__________________
"Even with all its blemishes, Trek XI still teabags the bloated corpses that were Insurrection and Nemesis and managed to make Trek fun again." - Sheep
Arlo is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:31 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.