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Old January 26 2008, 01:12 AM   #301
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Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

Actually, that ain't MY, that's a concept art piece done by somebody else for TMP. It isn't a final, it isn't even an effects shot, though it looks good enough to be one.

There is a piece of film on the tram coming in that wasn't used in the film; it has the tram flying directly overhead of camera, pretty close in. The only place I've ever seen it is on the Paramount promo film, which is about 12 minutes long (basically a much longer version of the long trailer on the TMP DE dvd.) It has some other nice bits, too, but I only have it on super-8 sound film.
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Old January 26 2008, 02:18 AM   #302
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Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

trevanian said:
Actually, that ain't MY, that's a concept art piece done by somebody else for TMP. It isn't a final, it isn't even an effects shot, though it looks good enough to be one.

There is a piece of film on the tram coming in that wasn't used in the film; it has the tram flying directly overhead of camera, pretty close in. The only place I've ever seen it is on the Paramount promo film, which is about 12 minutes long (basically a much longer version of the long trailer on the TMP DE dvd.) It has some other nice bits, too, but I only have it on super-8 sound film.

And why haven't you had this film transfered to DVD and "leaked" onto the net?
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Old January 26 2008, 03:06 AM   #303
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Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

trevanian said:
Actually, that ain't MY, that's a concept art piece done by somebody else for TMP. It isn't a final, it isn't even an effects shot, though it looks good enough to be one.

There is a piece of film on the tram coming in that wasn't used in the film; it has the tram flying directly overhead of camera, pretty close in. The only place I've ever seen it is on the Paramount promo film, which is about 12 minutes long (basically a much longer version of the long trailer on the TMP DE dvd.) It has some other nice bits, too, but I only have it on super-8 sound film.
I knew about the true creator of the piece, but have promised to be discrete with my knowledge.

As for that Super 8, Trev... I'd love to see it in some form someday. If even just enlargements of the frames that involve the shots you mentioned. You can email me or PM me if I can help in some way towards that end.
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Old January 26 2008, 06:46 AM   #304
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Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

For those who argue that argue that we might be looking at some sort of pressurized spacedock, which for some unfathomable reason has been done in a steampunk motif, forget it. Robert Orci has already confirmed that they're building the ship on the ground, in San Francisco itself, and provided some halfassed rationalizations for why they have to do so much of the work on the ground.

As for those comparison pics, I've got a couple worked up, but I'm having problems uploading them to photobucket.

Should have 'em up shortly.
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Old January 26 2008, 11:57 AM   #305
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Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

Baldus885 said:
Vance said:
historypeats said:
They made minor cosmetic changes to the ship, all of which seem to make the ship look better and more realistic.
A panel seam that is measured in meters is not a 'realistic' design. It's a recipe for disaster. If the 'blank line between panels' is something people can WALK through, how is that realistic?
That "seam" - part of the shield grid if my Trek knowledge serves correctly - is patently not metres in width. The Enterprise is not that big. I thought a TOS purist would have known that...

If you don't like it then fine, but try and keep the hyperbole in check, yeah?
It's not a matter of what he likes. He's right about the seams, from a realistic standpoint. So what if he just overstates.

Have any real ships had huge seams?
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Old January 26 2008, 12:22 PM   #306
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Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

Meteo said:
Baldus885 said:
Vance said:
historypeats said:
They made minor cosmetic changes to the ship, all of which seem to make the ship look better and more realistic.
A panel seam that is measured in meters is not a 'realistic' design. It's a recipe for disaster. If the 'blank line between panels' is something people can WALK through, how is that realistic?
That "seam" - part of the shield grid if my Trek knowledge serves correctly - is patently not metres in width. The Enterprise is not that big. I thought a TOS purist would have known that...

If you don't like it then fine, but try and keep the hyperbole in check, yeah?
It's not a matter of what he likes. He's right about the seams, from a realistic standpoint. So what if he just overstates.

Have any real ships had huge seams?
Have any real ships had shield grids?
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Old January 26 2008, 03:31 PM   #307
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Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

The Titanic had a huge seam. Well, right at the end.
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Old January 26 2008, 04:09 PM   #308
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Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

Captain Robert April said:
Robert Orci has already confirmed that they're building the ship on the ground, in San Francisco itself, and provided some halfassed rationalizations for why they have to do so much of the work on the ground.

From yesterday's live chat:

"Roberto Orci: Without giving anything away, nothing in the teaser precludes final assembly in space."

http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/25/jj-a...-from-the-set/
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Old January 26 2008, 05:53 PM   #309
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"The image does leave a bad taste in my mouth, though. The saucer looks too much like TMP, "NCC" font and all."

Its the Fran Joseph font. :thumbsup:
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Old January 26 2008, 06:01 PM   #310
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"Robert Orci has already confirmed that they're building the ship on the ground, in San Francisco itself, and provided some halfassed rationalizations for why they have to do so much of the work on the ground."

Mmm...

Then-

"They must follow CANON tm!"

Now-

"It not CANON because We say it isn't!"

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Old January 26 2008, 06:13 PM   #311
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Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

hutt359 said:
trevanian said:
Actually, that ain't MY, that's a concept art piece done by somebody else for TMP. It isn't a final, it isn't even an effects shot, though it looks good enough to be one.

There is a piece of film on the tram coming in that wasn't used in the film; it has the tram flying directly overhead of camera, pretty close in. The only place I've ever seen it is on the Paramount promo film, which is about 12 minutes long (basically a much longer version of the long trailer on the TMP DE dvd.) It has some other nice bits, too, but I only have it on super-8 sound film.

And why haven't you had this film transfered to DVD and "leaked" onto the net?
I'm technically impaired?
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Old January 26 2008, 06:15 PM   #312
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Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

ST-One said:
Meteo said:
Baldus885 said:
Vance said:
historypeats said:
They made minor cosmetic changes to the ship, all of which seem to make the ship look better and more realistic.
A panel seam that is measured in meters is not a 'realistic' design. It's a recipe for disaster. If the 'blank line between panels' is something people can WALK through, how is that realistic?
That "seam" - part of the shield grid if my Trek knowledge serves correctly - is patently not metres in width. The Enterprise is not that big. I thought a TOS purist would have known that...

If you don't like it then fine, but try and keep the hyperbole in check, yeah?
It's not a matter of what he likes. He's right about the seams, from a realistic standpoint. So what if he just overstates.

Have any real ships had huge seams?
Have any real ships had shield grids?
YOu're being sarcastic, right?
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Old January 26 2008, 06:17 PM   #313
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Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

aridas sofia said:
trevanian said:
Actually, that ain't MY, that's a concept art piece done by somebody else for TMP. It isn't a final, it isn't even an effects shot, though it looks good enough to be one.

There is a piece of film on the tram coming in that wasn't used in the film; it has the tram flying directly overhead of camera, pretty close in. The only place I've ever seen it is on the Paramount promo film, which is about 12 minutes long (basically a much longer version of the long trailer on the TMP DE dvd.) It has some other nice bits, too, but I only have it on super-8 sound film.
I knew about the true creator of the piece, but have promised to be discrete with my knowledge.

As for that Super 8, Trev... I'd love to see it in some form someday. If even just enlargements of the frames that involve the shots you mentioned. You can email me or PM me if I can help in some way towards that end.
If you know a really GOOD transfer service, I'll use it. Just shooting it off the wall isn't good enough with images this dark, even though my projector has a 150 watt bulb. The thing is 34 years old, and it runs slow, so the sound is off, and I'd prefer doing a legit transfer of the thing before the projector eats this film.
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Old January 26 2008, 07:28 PM   #314
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Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

ST-One said:
Meteo said:
Baldus885 said:
Vance said:
historypeats said:
They made minor cosmetic changes to the ship, all of which seem to make the ship look better and more realistic.
A panel seam that is measured in meters is not a 'realistic' design. It's a recipe for disaster. If the 'blank line between panels' is something people can WALK through, how is that realistic?
That "seam" - part of the shield grid if my Trek knowledge serves correctly - is patently not metres in width. The Enterprise is not that big. I thought a TOS purist would have known that...

If you don't like it then fine, but try and keep the hyperbole in check, yeah?
It's not a matter of what he likes. He's right about the seams, from a realistic standpoint. So what if he just overstates.

Have any real ships had huge seams?
Have any real ships had shield grids?
The seam is certainly in scale with the "shield grid" on the TMP model, and is nowhere near a meter wide.
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Old January 26 2008, 10:08 PM   #315
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Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

Holytomato said:
"The image does leave a bad taste in my mouth, though. The saucer looks too much like TMP, "NCC" font and all."

Its the Fran Joseph font. :thumbsup:
Yup! and i know of no canon source, that defines starfleet regulation on hull markings 9 years before "the Cage" and 20 years before "Where No Man Has Gone Before".
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