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Old January 21 2008, 05:59 PM   #181
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Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

The 'seams' are actually a little over a meter in width (don't believe me, just put a person from the image near one... the Galaxy class's seams ARE measured in meters). The idea that they're part of the 'shield grid' is a TNGism to explain it away - despite the fact that they're an amateur modelist's 'trick' to show scale.
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Old January 21 2008, 07:29 PM   #182
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Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

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Since there are a couple different notions about how transporters actually work, yeah, I can easily figure them not to have replication. Somethingfornothing or somethingfornextonothing ain't quite the same as having Jeanie/genie blink you from one spot to the next.

Whether you figure the transporter actually converts matter to energy and back again (which sounds like an explosion to me, and I think Blish says as much in his novel), or whether it works like a dirac jump or a tunnel diode, it still isn't altering matter into a different form, or xeroxing one piece of matter into multiples.

Honestly, the two bits of tech have never seemed similar to me at all, though now that you point it out, I can see why folks might make that assumption.
I myself consider Spock Must Die to be the 80th episode, but the people in this movie don't. So we're stuck with theoretically-impossible (as opposed to practically impossible) transporters than run via Plot-Device Induction.
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Old January 21 2008, 07:58 PM   #183
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Old January 21 2008, 07:59 PM   #184
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Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

The official trailer is up at movies.yahoo.com now. I like the look of the ship, but I think they hosed up the scale. Judging by the guys on the surface of the saucer, it looks almost twice as big as it should be. But I'm thinking (hoping) that this is *just* a teaser, and not meant to be in the final movie, and they get the final scale right.
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Old January 21 2008, 08:31 PM   #185
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Vance said:The idea that they're part of the 'shield grid' is a TNGism to explain it away - despite the fact that they're an amateur modelist's 'trick' to show scale.
Ummmm, no, they're a modeling technique to show detail. You look at scale models of aircraft? They have rivets the size of grapefruit. If they weren't that big they wouldn't be visible.
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Old January 21 2008, 09:00 PM   #186
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I do have models of aircraft.. they don't include the rivets no more than my model space shuttle adds huge seam lines where they're not or my model ships ever had large lines to 'define scale' or had rivets THERE either.

When I see a big-ass 'seam line' or oversized rivet, or whatever, it screams 'lame-ass model' rather than bringing me into the illusion.
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Old January 21 2008, 10:53 PM   #187
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I like the detail work....but question whether they are building the Enterprise, or refitting it?

1. Hull number and name are visible on the hull. Painting is one of the last things you do in ship construction.

2. would fit into the timeline, refiting the ship for Pike to take command
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Old January 21 2008, 11:11 PM   #188
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Re: The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

and, because seeing it a bazillion times already isn't enough, the teaser is online.

http://www.paramount.com/startrek/

mmmmm... 1080p quicktime.
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Old January 21 2008, 11:12 PM   #189
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Of course this will be in the movie, and yes the ship will look like this for the entire movie. :thumbsup:

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Old January 22 2008, 12:01 AM   #190
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1. Hull number and name are visible on the hull. Painting is one of the last things you do in ship construction.
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Old January 22 2008, 12:21 AM   #191
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I'm pretty sure that it's a trailer-only thing, though. I mean, really, the spot-welding and iron mask alone would be pretty ridiculous for the UESPA, wouldn't it? We don't build ships that way now, after all...
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Old January 22 2008, 12:30 AM   #192
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Vance said:
The 'seams' are actually a little over a meter in width (don't believe me, just put a person from the image near one... the Galaxy class's seams ARE measured in meters). The idea that they're part of the 'shield grid' is a TNGism to explain it away - despite the fact that they're an amateur modelist's 'trick' to show scale.
Really, I thought it was a TMPism. That is, after all, where they first appeared.
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Old January 22 2008, 12:33 AM   #193
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The TMP Enterprise has a few seams, but not many, and they're not the 'hard lines' that you see here. Probert was dead set against them, and 'capitulated' for the use of aztecing to add detail rather than the 'Star Wars' mindset of adding greeblies and panels out the wazoo.

This has the panels of a Star Wars/BSG ship, but not the Greelies (from what we see). I'm glad for that much.
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Old January 22 2008, 02:24 AM   #194
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Sad to see such a great trailer wasted on a shit ship.
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Old January 22 2008, 02:44 AM   #195
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Sad to see such a great trailer wasted on a shit ship.
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