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Old January 24 2008, 03:49 AM   #466
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rideop1 said:oh yea, i forgot, the hell with canon and the past. This is the new Star Trek, so F*&K the last 40 years, we are starting over with a new vision.
How did you guess, that's Abram's tag line for the movie! It was either that or "Watch as We Anally Rape Your Childhood"

And enough with the "canon" already, its a TV/Movie series not a religious text (though from the way some people treat it I wonder sometimes...)
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Old January 24 2008, 04:23 AM   #467
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The "CANON" of Star Trek is a major factor in the 40 year longevity of the franchise. 100% continuity will never happen, but deliberate obliteration of that "CANON" is something else all together. I'm sure there are a large number of people that will agree with me. I'm a purist, sue me. have you ever heard a group of STAR WARS fans talk?..............OH MY GOD. Atleast Star Trek is an original concept, not a rip off of every theme in Motion picture and literary history. George Lucas just put his own spin on it.
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Old January 24 2008, 04:31 AM   #468
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Vektor said:
Thomas Riker said:
Ahem, TOS: "The Naked Time", TNG: "Relics", TNG: "Time Squared", TNG: "Cause and Effect", VOY: "Scientific Method", VOY: "Real Life", VOY: "The Void", ENT: "Anomaly", Star Trek Generations, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home ....
Yeah, and in almost every case the gravitational influences involved were either far beyond the pull of Earth or the ship was suffering some kind of engine difficulty or they were making deliberate use of gravity to accomplish something else like a slingshot maneuever. Really, just think about it. For starships to do half the things we've seen them do under normal operating conditions, they would have to be capable of enduring stresses and overcoming influences that make climbing out of Earth's gravity well absolutely pale by comparison.
But with different factors. For all we know, those maneuvers require warp power being used in a way that doesn't work deep in a gravity well or in an atmosphere. It just doesn't make sense to unleash those kinds of forces near people on a world (that bit of warpinatmo craziness in TVH being put aside by me because I sure like to think I never saw it.)
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Old January 24 2008, 04:32 AM   #469
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rideop1 said:
The "CANON" of Star Trek is a major factor in the 40 year longevity of the franchise. 100% continuity will never happen, but deliberate obliteration of that "CANON" is something else all together. I'm sure there are a large number of people that will agree with me. I'm a purist, sue me. have you ever heard a group of STAR WARS fans talk?..............OH MY GOD. Atleast Star Trek is an original concept, not a rip off of every theme in Motion picture and literary history. George Lucas just put his own spin on it.
Never heard of Wagon Train or Forbidden Planet, right?
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Old January 24 2008, 04:34 AM   #470
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One thing that "Star Trek" was not was an "original concept."
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Old January 24 2008, 04:39 AM   #471
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ah..........a couple of Lucasites...........LOL. guess i struck a nerve
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Old January 24 2008, 05:03 AM   #472
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Yes. The Enterprise has big honkers. That's why they call her "she."

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Big Honkin' Engines !


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Old January 24 2008, 05:09 AM   #473
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Am I the Onbly one that read "The Making Of Star Trek" ands numerous other publications that stated the ENTERPRISE was constructed in orbit under the aegis of the old san Francisco Navy Yard? Oh yea, i forgot, the hell with canon and the past.
I'm amazed that people are getting more bent out of shape about where Enterprise is constructed than they are about the changes to its anatomy.

My bet is that the matter won't even come up in the movie.

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Old January 24 2008, 05:15 AM   #474
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rideop1 said:
The "CANON" of Star Trek is a major factor in the 40 year longevity of the franchise.
That's debatable. I've been a Trek fan for 30+ years and never given much of a damn about "CANON" at all.


I'm a purist, sue me. have you ever heard a group of STAR WARS fans talk?..............OH MY GOD. Atleast Star Trek is an original concept, not a rip off of every theme in Motion picture and literary history. George Lucas just put his own spin on it.
Yeah, because Trek sprang fully formed out of Roddenberry's head, right? I'll let you in on a little secret of writing: Nothing is completely original. Everybody takes pre-existing themes and puts their own spin on them. That's what Lucas did & that's what Roddenberry and Company did. Aside from the examples others have already cited, Star Trek also drew heavily on themes from the Hornblower novels of CS Forrester as well as several decades worth of SciFi stories.

And you know, it is possible to defend a point of view without needlessly dragging someone else and/or their fans into it just to insult them. Just a thought.
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Old January 24 2008, 05:18 AM   #475
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...guess i struck a nerve
No.
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Old January 24 2008, 05:32 AM   #476
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Am I the Onbly one that read "The Making Of Star Trek" ands numerous other publications that stated the ENTERPRISE was constructed in orbit under the aegis of the old san Francisco Navy Yard?
Publications are irrelevant.

No one onscreen has ever said whether the ship was built on Earth or in orbit. They have complete freedom to do as they desire, without violating a stitch of continuity - because no episode or film ever stated where the ship was built.
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Old January 24 2008, 05:44 AM   #477
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I still can't believe that they redesigned the ship and the #1 OMG!!!! reaction is that it is on Earth & that welders exist in the future.

I still don't see even the slightest reason to focus on those things.
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Old January 24 2008, 05:53 AM   #478
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"Yes. The Enterprise has big honkers. That's why they call her "she.""

Don't forgot a big clit and lips. :grin:

"No one onscreen has ever said whether the ship was built on Earth or in orbit. They have complete freedom to do as they desire, without violating a stitch of continuity - because no episode or film ever stated where the ship was built."

:cough cough:

"To me she was always like my child. I was there in the San Francisco Navy Yards when her unit components were built."

- Robert April, The Counter Clock Incident

"San Francisco Navy Yards"

- USS Enterprise NCC-1701 plaque

"Yes the Ship varied in all those episodes, but stayed true to the Original Jeffries design."

Varied means it didn't stay true.

Which is it?

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Old January 24 2008, 06:14 AM   #479
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Didn't the 1701's dedication plaque state:

Starship Class
San Francisco, Calif.?

Or, was SF identified because of the implicit (later, identified) location of Star Fleet HQ -- sort of like the identification of a sea vessel's national (or more localized, for motor vessels/sailing vessels) registry?
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Old January 24 2008, 06:16 AM   #480
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Hey everyone, first time poster, long time reader. I thought I'd chime in and offer my take on the Enterprise (based on the little that we've seen so far.) I made this quickly for the simple purpose of getting an idea of the basic shape and proportions of the "new" Enterprise. Looks pretty damn fine to me. FYI, the yellow figures are supposed to represent people (Though I don't presume to know the correct scale, I just took a shot in the dark.)
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