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Old January 19 2008, 07:15 PM   #346
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Yeah, come on, everyone knows what a welder is, and that it's used to build metal stuff...like ships.

No one is going to know what's happening if they show a guy with a vaacum-cleaner like thing with glowing buttons making laser-noises. Sorry.
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Old January 19 2008, 07:23 PM   #347
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Some take things too much to heart, and they become too attached to something that in the end is just entertainment. If the shot makes it to the final cut, great, if not, no biggie either.
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Old January 19 2008, 07:29 PM   #348
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I'm not happy about the notion of the ship being assembled on the ground. Sure, make some components down here, but the image of a ship of the stars resting its keel in a muddy basin while insects, rodents, and rain have free access to its vulnerable interior leaves me uneasy. How long did it take to build the Enterprise? A few years? How many squirrels hid acorns in our beloved starship? How many dessicated wasp nests lurk within the hull? Dead flies and moths near light panels? Every time the huge and vastly powerful Starship Enterprise whooshes past the camera to Sandy Courage's triumphant fanfare, we'll now know the truth ... that within that duranium facade and hidden behind the walls and bulkheads are unswept piles of leaves and milkweed seeds that clustered unnoticed as the ship was assembled around them. Withered husks of starved spiders shudder within their dusty webs every time Kirk demands more power from Scotty -- entombed forever in ink-black darkness behind subjunction panels on every deck.
Okay, I just laughed out loud over this.

Quite a vivid image you painted.
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Old January 19 2008, 07:30 PM   #349
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BorgusFrat said:...there's no way in hell that starships will be built in such a manner as welding in the 23rd century.
Of course not...were such things to exist, they wouldn't be much like "Star Trek" or any of our current popular imagery at all.

The scientific advancements in the last hundred years arguably surpass everything learned in the previous 5,000. That rate of invention and creation and scientific discovery will, by most accounts, only increase as we proceed along the pathways of time...
A lot of Trek fans aren't enormously fond of actual science fiction and the speculation/projection/extrapolation that's part of it - witness the continuing howls at the mere suggestion of universal wealth or a moneyless economy in the 24th century.
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Old January 19 2008, 08:42 PM   #350
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...your main vessel isn't getting worn down with exposure to elements, cuz it is living in vaccuum.
But... the Enterprise is being heated up and cooled down when it enters and leaves a solar system, so the material that the hull is made out of would expand and contract and wear down over time, right?
I assume so, but why mar the paint job on the way UP to orbit, before you even get started, before anybody can throw a bottle of champagne at it from a kilometer off? Of course you could speculate the ship is like a self-cleaning oven, which would explain why there is never any visible hull damage during TOS before they started messing with it.

They reference the hull overheating/superheating alot in TOS, usually because some alien beam is heating them up or they are being pulled down into atmosphere. Whether this heat is what leaks through all the pseudowhatsis fields or some other kind of energy, I don't know or care (though I guess you'd need more of those TNG-era systems, the inertial and structural whatevers, if you were taking off from a gravity well. Have no idea if mass/inertia issues exist when pivoting at warp -- and before anybody says you can't turn in warp, I suggest you watch ELAAN OF TROYIUS, TMP or parts of many TOS eps to see that it is very clear that the ship turns while at warp; if they weren't able to maneuver while at warp, interception of an incoming warp 7 object would be a 'terminal' maneuver in more ways than one.)
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Old January 19 2008, 08:51 PM   #351
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TrekMovie.com: So what is your guys logic for setting it on land?

Roberto Orci: Besides the thematic stuff we discussed, which is to connect it to today and make it clear. Firstly, there is the notion that there is precedent in the novels, etc that components of the ship can be built on Earth and assembled here or there. And the second thing is that the Enterprise is not some flimsy yacht that has to be delicately treated and assembled. The idea that things have to be assembled in space has normally been associated with things that don’t have to be in any kind of pressure situation and don’t ever have to ever enter a gravity well. That is not the case with the Enterprise. The Enterprise actually has to sustain warp, which we know is not actually moving but more a warping of space around it. And we know that its decks essentially simulate Earth gravity and so its not the kind of gravity created by centrifugal force, it is not artificially created by spinning it. It is created by an artificial field and so it is
very natural, instead of having to create a fake field in which you are going to have to calibrate everything, to just do it in the exact gravity well in which you are going to be simulating. And the final thing, in order to properly balance warp nacelles, they must be created in a gravity well.


TrekMovie.com: Looking at the reaction from this one little thing, are you now thinking about what it will be like for all the other judgment calls you made?

Roberto Orci: Not really. The main judgment call is going to be whether or not the theory of the movie works. And the theory sort of encompasses it…either you buy the movie or you don’t. So we aren’t going to sweat every little detail. We are going to sweat whether or not you buy our interpretation of it. But this is not a surprise. When we were constructing the trailer we knew that many were going to criticize it. We have our eyes wide open I think. But again, of course it is terrifying. I think I said on your site that in those times when canon is fuzzy, then we are ‘The Supreme Court’ right now and the court has to rule one way or the other.

TrekMovie.com: So who sits on the court?

Roberto Orci: It is the five of us: me, Alex [Kurtzman], JJ [Abrams], Bryan [Burk], and Damon [Lindelof]


http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/19/inte...ler/#more-1466


I guess he never saw STAR TREK-THE MOTION PICTURE. The computers balanced the warp engines and intermix. Also, when were the novels ever considered "canon"?


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Old January 19 2008, 08:59 PM   #352
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Orci's fanboy reasoning is better than anyone elses I've read here.
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Old January 19 2008, 09:05 PM   #353
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Wow, is that a real interview? That's some far-out reasoning and justificating (yeah, I know that ain't a word, but I guess I have 'creative license' the same as the next guy.)

If they've put that much ... I guess you'd call it 'thought' ... into this gravity well/warp calibration thing, it must be a plot point. Otherwise, you'd be thinking they were only coming up with these remarks to deflect complaints that they were pulling this stuff out of their nether regions .... oops!
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Old January 19 2008, 09:12 PM   #354
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I guess he never saw STAR TREK-THE MOTION PICTURE. The computers balanced the warp engines and intermix. Also, when were the novels ever considered "canon"?
He said there was precedent in the novels.

In other words, he's not pulling something radical out of thin air and trying to cram it down our throats.
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Old January 19 2008, 09:19 PM   #355
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Doing work on the saucer -- not building it from scratch -- down on Earth was in a novel by Brad Ferguson, but I think he is radically pulling from thin air on the other part ... I've never heard of anybody using that "build warp engines in a gravity well" thing, in comics or novels (though to be fair, I haven't kept up on trek fiction in the last 13-15 years. Please advise if this is a development.)

Hence my thought that this could be a plot point.
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Old January 19 2008, 09:21 PM   #356
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Nothing Orci said is any more outlandish than any other BS technobabble spouted by any other Trek show or movie to justify plot points. It's a Trek tradition.
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Old January 19 2008, 09:28 PM   #357
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How many times will the words "invert the main deflector" be used? And will it involve gravity wells?


Well, one thing is for sure. If they are building the ship in frisco, it'll have bird-shit all over it.
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Old January 19 2008, 09:44 PM   #358
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The welding discussion is pretty fun to read

I'm so sure someone else has mentioned this already, but... aren't there some crewmen welding things in the second DS9 title sequence?
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Old January 19 2008, 09:45 PM   #359
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Samuel T. Cogley said:
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I guess he never saw STAR TREK-THE MOTION PICTURE. The computers balanced the warp engines and intermix. Also, when were the novels ever considered "canon"?
He said there was precedent in the novels.

In other words, he's not pulling something radical out of thin air and trying to cram it down our throats.

Now that I recall, I think it was one of the Lost Years novels that had the saucer being built on earth.


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Old January 19 2008, 09:48 PM   #360
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"A Flag Full of Stars" if I recall correctly.
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