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Old January 18 2008, 09:48 PM   #271
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Old January 18 2008, 09:51 PM   #272
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liking it. different, but not akira'd.
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Old January 18 2008, 10:05 PM   #273
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Why is it that in the 23rd century ship builders can't find a bunch of panels that look more alike? Why do ships they build end up looking like quilts?

Why is that in the 23rd century ships are built by welding together a bunch of metal panels? That would be like building modern jets using techniques that were used to build ships in the 1700s.

Given the energy output of warp engines and the technology of transporters, starships could be created en masse. No welding, no panelling needed.

What we see of this ship shows that it suffers what most versions of the Enterprise suffer (other than TOS version): it looks more like something built in the 21rst century and less like something built in the 23rd or 24th century.
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Old January 18 2008, 10:09 PM   #274
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Here are some comparison shots that i ,, borrowed,, from other ST site.

This picture only further cements my beliefs into the 'Its A Reboot' camp. I just can't buy the new look fitting in before the TOS one. It looks more like a stage in between TOS and TMP.
The perspective in The TOS and TMP Enterprises makes their nacelles look awfully close together (seriously).

I'm no expert at camera angles/perspective, but if I shot this ST:XI view of the Big E with the camera far away, then zoomed in, Would I not get something like we see in the middle photo rather than the other old photos? Is there someone here who is an expert in cinematics?

It is my understanding that there will be less perpective distortion for objects that are far from the observer (but close to each other - such is the case with the saucer/nacelles) than there would be if the camera was right in front of the saucer when the "virtual photo" was taken.

I liken this to one of those Speilbergian "zoom in while moving the camera away" shots, where the view of the person in the foreground doesn't move while the background perspective changes (does anyone know what I'm talking about? )
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Old January 18 2008, 10:12 PM   #275
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Why is that in the 23rd century ships are built by welding together a bunch of metal panels?
Because this teaser is a metaphor for the movie, not meant to be in-universe reality.
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Old January 18 2008, 10:17 PM   #276
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Why is that in the 23rd century ships are built by welding together a bunch of metal panels?

Why is there assumption this *wouldn't be* how it was done? There need not always be some scifi explanation.

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Old January 18 2008, 10:17 PM   #277
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^^ Arlo -- I completely agree with the "metaphor" aspect of this teaser...

...but JBElliot, what's wrong with welding? It's the most effective and modern way we have today of joining two metals together, and I would think it would continue to be in practice (in some form) 240 years from now.
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Old January 18 2008, 10:32 PM   #278
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Since we never saw the Enterprise before Pike took command and "The Cage" we dunno for certain if the original 2245-era nacelles looked like this or not. It's all up in the air and can still fit into established timeline canon.
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Old January 18 2008, 10:44 PM   #279
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Well, someone beat me to the conparisons, but I did one, so here it is:



I think the ship looks very similar to the TMP ship. But where the bridge was once, now there is a two-level room. It may mean nothing (temp detail) or it may mean this sucker is twice as big.
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Old January 18 2008, 10:52 PM   #280
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mada101 said:
Scott Hayden said:
Here are some comparison shots that i ,, borrowed,, from other ST site.

This picture only further cements my beliefs into the 'Its A Reboot' camp. I just can't buy the new look fitting in before the TOS one. It looks more like a stage in between TOS and TMP.
The perspective in The TOS and TMP Enterprises makes their nacelles look awfully close together (seriously).

I'm no expert at camera angles/perspective, but if I shot this ST:XI view of the Big E with the camera far away, then zoomed in, Would I not get something like we see in the middle photo rather than the other old photos? Is there someone here who is an expert in cinematics?

It is my understanding that there will be less perpective distortion for objects that are far from the observer (but close to each other - such is the case with the saucer/nacelles) than there would be if the camera was right in front of the saucer when the "virtual photo" was taken.

Anybody who has taken a basic photography course probably remembers that there is a simple way to tell the lens being used, as long as you know something about the subject. In the case of a person, if you are a ways off and shooting telephoto, you get more of a jug-ear effect, with the person kind of compressed. Whereas if you are in close shooting with a wider lens, you get more of the big nose/ears disappear effect. I think we usually saw the latter with respect to the enterprise in the movies, because of the size of the miniature and how it was shot. That would explain the look of the shot in dock from SFS you use in your post. Those would also make the back end of the nacelles 'bow' inward a bit.

Then again, what do I know? In looking at this picutre, at first it didn't even occur to me that those things were nacelles, I figured they were some kind of lifter unit to grab the saucer and drag it up into orbit so it could be mated to the other components.

Assemblying the whole thing on earth doesn't make any sense to me, and it is an insult to all the planning and thought that has gone into figuring out how to build real interplanetary spacecraft (which is kind of ironic, given that folks have mentioned the NASA/Kennedy audio in the thread), which WILL be built in orbit, out of the gravity well.
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Old January 18 2008, 10:58 PM   #281
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Teaser footage often does not appear in a final product.
The only one off the top my head is the transformers teaser footage of the mars 2 rover being destroyed(possibly by starscream)


That was in the movie. Anyone remember the First Contact Trailer?
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Old January 18 2008, 11:03 PM   #282
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I liken this to one of those Speilbergian "zoom in while moving the camera away" shots, where the view of the person in the foreground doesn't move while the background perspective changes (does anyone know what I'm talking about? )
That was invented by the master himself, Hitchcock, wasn't it? For "Vertigo".

And isn't it Spielberg?

EDIT: Wikipedia says yes. It's even called the "Hitchcock zoom" ...
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Old January 18 2008, 11:12 PM   #283
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on the lettering...a tip of the hat to the much-maligned, and undeservedly so IMHO, Franz Joseph?
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Old January 18 2008, 11:18 PM   #284
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The Enterprise in this pic looks like concept art, or a frame from an animatic. l honest to Christ can't figure out why concept art-level work has got so many people excited. If this is actually a final, then it says something about how little visual credibility means to filmgoers. (Unless maybe it looks better in motion? Guess I'll look for the trailer in a couple days and see what the high rez version plays like. Expectation is now low enough that I probably won't spit at the monitor.)
Right... whomever worked on that shot at ILM should be fired, it's so horrible. Seriously... you "honest to Christ can't figure [it] out"? "Concept-level art"?... "animatic"?

If I were Leonard Nimoy, I believe my response would be, "Go to hell!"

If I were Leonard Nimoy.
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Old January 18 2008, 11:18 PM   #285
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That was invented by the master himself, Hitchcock, wasn't it? For "Vertigo".
And isn't it Spielberg?
Thank you on both counts (really)...I knew how to spell "Spielberg" (typo), but I had forgotton that "zoom in/pullback" effect was used in Vertigo, and I was unaware that Hitchcock had 'invented' that. (when I think of Vertigo, I usually only think of the lovely Ms. Novak -- that and the fact that it is a great film. )
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