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Old January 22 2008, 01:25 PM   #1
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My god, the new Enterprise must be HUGE

We've always assumed certain dimentions for the "Big E", but I took a close look at the high def cap of the saucer under construction and found something ASTONISHING:



and here's the unannotated image so you can see the details the text and lines obscure



using that 2m stick as a comparison, (based on the size of the kneeling figure at lower right)and adding in the areas betwen and above the edge of the saucer section is ~20-21m thick at least. At a 3m celing height (sounds about right) that = 6 or 7 DECKS, at a 4m height (which seems to big for what is shown) it would still be ~5 decks.

The "old" Big E we always guestimated at 2-3 decks thick at the saucer rim MAX.

The only logical conclusion is that's she's a BIG girl...
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Old January 22 2008, 01:32 PM   #2
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Re: My god, the new Enterprise must be HUGE

well- it's hard to say with any certainty that the detail shown is indicative of each deck... I hope. But based on the little welder dude on top,I can't even make out if it's a person or robot, you may be right. But if it's a man, then this ship will be a little bigger then we know it to be. If so, say hi to the new BSG- er Star Trek.

Also- look at the image (on the video) at the bottom of the saucer. The bit above the sensor dome looks like the bottom of the past movies' refit Enterprise... At least to forward part of the dome- it could be torpedo launch tubes.

I'll still wait to see a bit more to confirm that my fears are not being realized here. I don't want to jump to too many conclusions based on this, and ruin the movie for me. The CGI guys may have been still working on scaling issues when they made this. I hope.
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Old January 22 2008, 01:36 PM   #3
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Re: My god, the new Enterprise must be HUGE

nice work darkwing,
that also means those nacelles are even bigger than they first seemed.
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Old January 22 2008, 01:43 PM   #4
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Re: My god, the new Enterprise must be HUGE

Patrickivan said:
I'll still wait to see a bit more to confirm that my fears are not being realized here. I don't want to jump to too many conclusions based on this, and ruin the movie for me. The CGI guys may have been still working on scaling issues when they made this. I hope.
Having the ship be bigger would ruin the movie for you?

Priorities, people!
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Old January 22 2008, 01:49 PM   #5
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Ummm... I don't understand what you are baseing your 2m estimate on?
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Old January 22 2008, 01:53 PM   #6
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Re: My god, the new Enterprise must be HUGE

Nice work, but it's based on the false premise that you can be certain what constitutes deck floors from that shot.
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Old January 22 2008, 01:57 PM   #7
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Yet Another Poll !
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Old January 22 2008, 02:02 PM   #8
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Your Enterprise is so huge, the sun slingshots around it to go back in time!
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Old January 22 2008, 02:12 PM   #9
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Re: My god, the new Enterprise must be HUGE

Patrickivan said:
well- it's hard to say with any certainty that the detail shown is indicative of each deck... I hope. But based on the little welder dude on top,I can't even make out if it's a person or robot, you may be right. But if it's a man, then this ship will be a little bigger then we know it to be. If so, say hi to the new BSG- er Star Trek.

Also- look at the image (on the video) at the bottom of the saucer. The bit above the sensor dome looks like the bottom of the past movies' refit Enterprise... At least to forward part of the dome- it could be torpedo launch tubes.

I'll still wait to see a bit more to confirm that my fears are not being realized here. I don't want to jump to too many conclusions based on this, and ruin the movie for me. The CGI guys may have been still working on scaling issues when they made this. I hope.
I can't be TOO far off, in the annotation free image you can plainly make out at least 3 decks, one of them appearing to be 2-3 decks tall and almost the equivilant of a deck beneath the kneeling figure at lower right.

I whipped out a copy of the TOS Connie layout and assuming she keeps the same PROPORTIONS, using 20m for the saucer rim I ballparked the following numbers for her:

LOA: 940m (3084')
Beam: 400m (1312')
Height (keel to top of nacelles): 250m (820')

(these figures +/- 5m to allow for slight measuring errors and rounding)
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Old January 22 2008, 02:16 PM   #10
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TeutonicNights said:
nice work darkwing,
that also means those nacelles are even bigger than they first seemed.
see my response to the response immediately before yours for the REALLY wacky numbers...she works out to be longer than the stated length of the Galaxy-class by almost 150%...
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Old January 22 2008, 02:25 PM   #11
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Ummm... I don't understand what you are baseing your 2m estimate on?
On the UNmarked pic, look to the kneeling figure on the lower right...I made a red mark = from where his knee meets the deck to the top of his head, then allowed a bit on top of that for him to be standing fully erect. I arbitrarily called that =2m (roughly human height).
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Old January 22 2008, 02:30 PM   #12
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Re: My god, the new Enterprise must be HUGE

darkwing_duck1 said:
EyalM said:
Ummm... I don't understand what you are baseing your 2m estimate on?
On the UNmarked pic, look to the kneeling figure on the lower right...I made a red mark = from where his knee meets the deck to the top of his head, then allowed a bit on top of that for him to be standing fully erect. I arbitrarily called that =2m (roughly human height).
I think he should be somewhat taller than what you estimated...
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Old January 22 2008, 02:35 PM   #13
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Arlo said:
Nice work, but it's based on the false premise that you can be certain what constitutes deck floors from that shot.
Go back and look again, I got 20m by stacking up the 2m marks and adding an allowance for the unfilled areas above the top mark, below the bottom and the two gaps. That is entirely independent of any perceived decks (though I can make a case for at least 3 of them. Simple math yeilds 5 decks (at 4m' each) or 6 decks at (3m each with 2 meters left over) from 20m total height.
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Old January 22 2008, 02:45 PM   #14
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Re: My god, the new Enterprise must be HUGE

Dude. First we can't tell shit about height, width and perspective. But then, when I look at the Bridge dome (from the big ass official picture), I'm fairly sure that the scale you use is way exaggerating.
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Old January 22 2008, 02:47 PM   #15
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Re: My god, the new Enterprise must be HUGE

If you're saucer thickness estimate is right (I'm not say it is or it isn't), I suppose it's possible that the ship could have a thick saucer, but all other parts are the same - i.e. there's no way to tell if this ship has the same or similar proportions as the TOS/TMP ships.

However, isn't that a guy welding in the upper left of the opening in your pic? If that is a welder, then your 2m sticks are inaccurate, because that man would be huge. I'm not sure the figure at the lower right that you used is a man kneeling.
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