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Old January 16 2008, 05:45 PM   #91
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Re: Description of the teaser trailer...

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How do you justify that?
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Old January 16 2008, 05:52 PM   #92
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Ahhh San Francisco was on the dedication plate wasn't it?
Yes, but that's been conveniently forgotten by some.
But... but... it was the San Francisco that's in OUTER SPACE obviously. I know there's nothing in the actual TV series or films to say it wasn't built on Earth and assembled in space but it was in the Series Bible so IT MUST BE TRUE!!!!
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Old January 16 2008, 06:07 PM   #93
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Re: Description of the teaser trailer...

What if you lived in the city by the bay and owned a ladder high enough to reach down a satellite or two?

Hypothetically, on which rung can you no longer claim to be San Francisco based?
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Old January 16 2008, 06:37 PM   #94
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I think people are forgetting that this is the 23rd century we're talking about.

If we had that kind of anti-gravity technology today, I can assure you NASA would be constructing the space station on Earth in 3 or 4 giant pieces, and would then slowly lift those pieces into space to be joined together later.
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Old January 16 2008, 07:17 PM   #95
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Well it sounds alright, I guess.

I'm glad about the aircraft-like nacelles, that means they haven't gone and done some square-nacelle bullshit. Yay for the original roundies.

As I expected, it doesn't seem to give away anything from the actual movie aside from maybe a rough image of what he ENT looks like.
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Old January 16 2008, 07:19 PM   #96
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Constructed on Earth eh? There's something I wasn't expecting.

Why is that such a big deal among Trekkies? Because it violates their precious canon? Boo hoo. Seagoing vessels aren't built in the water. If Starfleet has the capability to build a ship that crosses the galaxy, then it shouldn't be a problem for it to escape the gravity of Earth once it's completed. Give it a rest.
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Old January 16 2008, 07:24 PM   #97
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It doesn't violate any canon that I'm aware of.

It does violate gospel, however.
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Old January 16 2008, 07:48 PM   #98
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What if only the dedication plaque itself was build in San Francisco ?
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Old January 16 2008, 07:59 PM   #99
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Only people on boards like this one will care that the Enterprise was build on Earth. Others will just think it looks frikkin' sweet or not be bothered either way.

Sounds like a fun teaser. Looking forward to seeing it. :thumbsup:
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Old January 16 2008, 08:03 PM   #100
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Hm. I really like that, sounds like an excellent teaser.

I'm betting good money that some people won't be pleased with the idea of the Enterprise being constructed on Earth, though.
Ahhh San Francisco was on the dedication plate wasn't it?
Yes, but that's been conveniently forgotten by some.
I was always at a loss for the San Fransisco "ship yards" thing - since, ah couldn't see how or why they would call an orbital facility "San Fransisco Ship" yards. This kinda explains that. Its actually on Earth.

I knew someone (well just not anyone, at least two people) was going to attempt to spin this as Orci "lying". He didn't, no Area 51 in that trailer description which he outright said was false and he was correct of course.

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Old January 16 2008, 08:10 PM   #101
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Constructed on Earth eh? There's something I wasn't expecting.

Why is that such a big deal among Trekkies? Because it violates their precious canon? Boo hoo. Seagoing vessels aren't built in the water. If Starfleet has the capability to build a ship that crosses the galaxy, then it shouldn't be a problem for it to escape the gravity of Earth once it's completed. Give it a rest.
Well, you can't build a ship in the water because, well, it just wouldn't work.

However, large-scale construction in space is already a feasible concept in this day and age. Blast up the components and go for it.

The only way constructing the ENTIRE ship on the ground would make sense is if there were some anti-gravity device on the ship that compensates for its mass and especially it's lack of an aerodynamic shape. (Kinda like how some non-aerodynamic combat planes today are kept in the air by computers.)
Perhaps that's what shuttlecraft have, or Klingon birds of prey, or it's how Voyager was able to land, and it's why the saucer of Enterprise-D didn't drop like a rock. Maybe that's even what the mothership had in "Close Encounters".

There'd have to be some sort of technology to prevent the ship from experiencing the loads placed on it by gravity, even while being constructed. Loads it won't experience in space.
Are we to believe the neck on the Enterprise is strong enough to support the saucer's weight in 1 g, and the struts can support the engines? If so, since it's going to spend its life in space, that would be overengineering it in my book.

Not building in space can be explained away. But building in space needs far less rationalization, and in-universe it seems a far more efficient method of assembly in the long run.
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Old January 16 2008, 08:22 PM   #102
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I was always at a loss for the San Fransisco "ship yards" thing - since, ah couldn't see how or why they would call an orbital facility "San Fransisco Ship" yards. This kinda explains that. Its actually on Earth.
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Sorry if this gives me a double post.

I don't really have a problem with the whole SF Ship Yards thing.
-- Could be the builders are based in SF and only work in outer space.
-- Could be the Yard pre-fabs work on the ground then sends it up to its space facility in orbit for final assembly.
-- Most planes and ships today are built in multiple factories that may be 100s or 1000s of miles away from each other. Could be the SF Yard coordinated the whole thing. Or was the place to which the components were sent before final assembly.
-- It could be the term "ship yard" is a hold-over from the naval years and now refers to any place where starships are built, in space or otherwise. In the same way that we still "dial" phones.
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Old January 16 2008, 08:33 PM   #103
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Guys, guys, guys. It's a trailer. What we see in a trailer doesn't necessarily have any bearing on the final film. Example:



Now was Voyager or any Intrepid-class starship in the final cut of First Contact? Heck no.
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Old January 16 2008, 08:47 PM   #104
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There'd have to be some sort of technology to prevent the ship from experiencing the loads placed on it by gravity, even while being constructed. Loads it won't experience in space.
Are we to believe the neck on the Enterprise is strong enough to support the saucer's weight in 1 g, and the struts can support the engines? If so, since it's going to spend its life in space, that would be overengineering it in my book.

On the flip side, one could argue that if the design couldn't withstand the simple force of gravity, it wouldn't handle the multitude of OTHER stresses in space much better.

Hell, if the neck was really THAT weak, every enemy ship they encountered would be focusing their firepower on just that one area. The reason they don't is probably because they realize those supports aren't as weak as they look.
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Old January 16 2008, 08:50 PM   #105
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I'm glad about the aircraft-like nacelles, that means they haven't gone and done some square-nacelle bullshit. Yay for the original roundies.
Keep in mind that we will likely be seeing the "guts" of the nacelle, not the finished outer shell, so it may look entirely different when we see the final product.

If anything, I'm sure they went out of their way as much as possible to NOT show us the finished product, both in order to tease us and because they probably hadn't finalized the look of the Enterprise exterior at that point.
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