Trekkies Against Torture-A Warning To J.J. Abrams

Dusty Ayres · January 7 2008, 10:47 PM

Yes, they are worried about torture in the new movie, and they want it to stop: Trekkies Against Torture

Opinons, anyone?

StCoop · January 7 2008, 10:55 PM

No not mad as all.

(backs away slowly before the crazy man notices him)

Psion · January 7 2008, 10:57 PM

There are FOUR lights.

johnconner · January 7 2008, 11:06 PM

^Exactly. Or the scientists of Regula 1 in Wrath of Khan. Or Valeris in ST6.

I guess torture AGAINST members of the Federation, now that's okay.

Jon1701 · January 7 2008, 11:13 PM

Well, torture is bad.

Erm...

I'm not sure what else to say.

sithlord · January 7 2008, 11:14 PM

First off, I agree with the group's statement that Star Trek is not about torture and its protagonists would never condone the use of it (Enterprise not withstanding.) TNG did a marvellous two parter on the horror, inhumanity, and more importantly, inefficiency of torture.

That being said, I'm not 100% sure why this individual/group feels the need to start a petition such as this. I've never seen Alias, so I don't know if Jennifer Garner's character routinely tortured captured bad guys or not and the only scene in M:I 3 where Cruise tortured anybody that I can recall involved Cruise dangling the antagonist out of a jet and the story/plot adequately punished Cruise's character for such an act.

If the film was being produced by ANYONE involved with 24, then yeah, I'd be worried (that show's more into torture than extreme BDSM afficiandos.) But again, without knowing more of Abrahm's body of work as it pertains to torture, I can't say that there's much need for this site at the moment.

Jackson_Roykirk · January 7 2008, 11:22 PM

I don't know...I thought TNG's 'Chain of Command' did a good job in showing the horrors of torture. I think in its own small way, Star Trek DID stand up against torture in that episode.

Does this 'Trekkies Against Torture' group think that the best way to deal with a problem is to not address it at all?

War is not a pleasant aspect of human behavior either. However, a film that shows war in all of its horrific deatail is not promoting war, but is actually disparaging it.

johnconner · January 7 2008, 11:23 PM

jon1701 said:
Well, torture is bad.

Erm...

I'm not sure what else to say.

Of course it is. But all I'm saying is that it's a dramatic device that is no stranger to Star Trek, so I'm having trouble understanding this group's stance on torture in Trek.

Agony booth, anyone?

Plum · January 7 2008, 11:23 PM

... I'm not in favour of putting pressure on artists (even Hollywoodland hacks) regarding anything. It's censorship.

It's like anti-abortionists lobbying for TV and films to reflect their views (anyone see Knocked Up?). The best of intentions...

Admiral Buzzkill · January 7 2008, 11:28 PM

A warning to Abrams?

Bet he's shakin' now.

I don't find dramatized torture entertaining and yeah, torture is bad.

That said, there's zero reason to expect to see the good guys torturing anyone in the new "Star Trek" movie.

These folks have let their anxieties run away with them.

Cary L. Brown · January 7 2008, 11:30 PM

I saw this and my first reaction was "Oh, no, not another joke thread." But this isn't a joke... sigh...

Torture is bad. But there are worse things, and given certain circumstances (say, someone who planted a nuke in downtown Manhattan, and who is, shall we say, RELUCTANT to tell the authorities where it is!)... I think torture would be an acceptable option. Hell, I'd do it myself! Be honest... wouldn't YOU?

Then again, there's also the question of "what constitutes torture?" I mean... is it really TORTURE to humiliate someone, or even just to deprive them of a good night's sleep (hell, if that's the definition, I need to find out the statute of limitations on my upstairs neighbors during college!)

Is administering a truth-agent "torture" or is it something else? Was the episode of ENT where they fooled the Zindi guy that he had been imprisoned with Archer "torture?" If so... I'm 100% behind that form of "torture."

You know what I think? This "Trekkies against Torture" people are children. They may be over the age of 40, but they're still, emotionally, CHILDREN. They probably also think that Bambi gave a realistic portrayal of wildlife...

I'd gladly sign a "Trekkies in Favor of Torture When Necessary and Appropriate" petition.

Opus · January 7 2008, 11:34 PM

Trekkies Against Torture to Abrams - "I AM A GROUP!"

number6 · January 7 2008, 11:36 PM

I completely condone the torture of Trekkies.

Kegek · January 8 2008, 12:49 AM

I will not see this movie unless it has scenes of torture shown against a Bach fugue in grainy black and white cinematography.

Also it must be shot in Algiers.

Jon1701 · January 8 2008, 01:05 AM

johnconner said:

jon1701 said:
Well, torture is bad.

Erm...

I'm not sure what else to say.

Of course it is. But all I'm saying is that it's a dramatic device that is no stranger to Star Trek, so I'm having trouble understanding this group's stance on torture in Trek.

Agony booth, anyone?

Wasn't directed at you. I was referring to the website.

Just. Bizarre.

January 7 2008, 10:47 PM	#1
Dusty Ayres Commodore Location: ANS Yamato, Sector 5, Sol System	Trekkies Against Torture-A Warning To J.J. Abrams Yes, they are worried about torture in the new movie, and they want it to stop: Trekkies Against Torture Opinons, anyone?

January 7 2008, 10:55 PM	#2
StCoop Commodore	Re: Trekkies Against Torture-A Warning To J.J. Abrams No not mad as all. (backs away slowly before the crazy man notices him)

January 7 2008, 10:57 PM	#3
Psion Commodore Location: Lat: 40.1630936 Lon: -75.1183777	Re: Trekkies Against Torture-A Warning To J.J. Abrams There are FOUR lights. __________________ First delete the default cube.

January 7 2008, 11:06 PM	#4
johnconner Commodore Location: Dallas, TX	Re: Trekkies Against Torture-A Warning To J.J. Abrams ^Exactly. Or the scientists of Regula 1 in Wrath of Khan. Or Valeris in ST6. I guess torture AGAINST members of the Federation, now that's okay.

January 7 2008, 11:13 PM	#5
Jon1701 Rear Admiral Location: Manchester, UK	Re: Trekkies Against Torture-A Warning To J.J. Abrams Well, torture is bad. Erm... I'm not sure what else to say. __________________ www.moviebreadbin.com Movie reviews sponsored by that toupee that Patrick Stewart had sent over from London that time.

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January 7 2008, 11:14 PM	#6
sithlord Lieutenant Commander Location: Long Beach, CA, USA	Re: Trekkies Against Torture-A Warning To J.J. Abrams First off, I agree with the group's statement that Star Trek is not about torture and its protagonists would never condone the use of it (Enterprise not withstanding.) TNG did a marvellous two parter on the horror, inhumanity, and more importantly, inefficiency of torture. That being said, I'm not 100% sure why this individual/group feels the need to start a petition such as this. I've never seen Alias, so I don't know if Jennifer Garner's character routinely tortured captured bad guys or not and the only scene in M:I 3 where Cruise tortured anybody that I can recall involved Cruise dangling the antagonist out of a jet and the story/plot adequately punished Cruise's character for such an act. If the film was being produced by ANYONE involved with 24, then yeah, I'd be worried (that show's more into torture than extreme BDSM afficiandos.) But again, without knowing more of Abrahm's body of work as it pertains to torture, I can't say that there's much need for this site at the moment.

January 7 2008, 11:22 PM	#7
Jackson_Roykirk Commodore Location: Pennsylvania, USA	Re: Trekkies Against Torture-A Warning To J.J. Abrams I don't know...I thought TNG's 'Chain of Command' did a good job in showing the horrors of torture. I think in its own small way, Star Trek DID stand up against torture in that episode. Does this 'Trekkies Against Torture' group think that the best way to deal with a problem is to not address it at all? War is not a pleasant aspect of human behavior either. However, a film that shows war in all of its horrific deatail is not promoting war, but is actually disparaging it. __________________ ...With shoes that cut, and eyes that burn like cigarettes With fingernails that shine like justice and a voice that is dark like tinted glass...

January 7 2008, 11:23 PM	#9
Plum Rear Admiral Location: Out on the water...	Re: Trekkies Against Torture-A Warning To J.J. Abrams ... I'm not in favour of putting pressure on artists (even Hollywoodland hacks) regarding anything. It's censorship. It's like anti-abortionists lobbying for TV and films to reflect their views (anyone see Knocked Up?). The best of intentions... __________________ Samuel T. Cogley said: "Look, every single one of us is going to see Star Trek XI. So let's cut the crap."

January 7 2008, 11:28 PM	#10
Admiral Buzzkill The Man Location: Defying Gravity	Re: Trekkies Against Torture-A Warning To J.J. Abrams A warning to Abrams? Bet he's shakin' now. I don't find dramatized torture entertaining and yeah, torture is bad. That said, there's zero reason to expect to see the good guys torturing anyone in the new "Star Trek" movie. These folks have let their anxieties run away with them. __________________ "I think [J.J. Abrams has] done a great thing for Star Trek. I’m very grateful to him. We all owe him a lot. When someone comes along like he has done and picks it up and elevates it, we should be grateful." - Leonard Nimoy

January 7 2008, 11:30 PM	#11
Cary L. Brown Rear Admiral Location: Austin, Texas	Re: Trekkies Against Torture-A Warning To J.J. Abrams I saw this and my first reaction was "Oh, no, not another joke thread." But this isn't a joke... sigh... Torture is bad. But there are worse things, and given certain circumstances (say, someone who planted a nuke in downtown Manhattan, and who is, shall we say, RELUCTANT to tell the authorities where it is!)... I think torture would be an acceptable option. Hell, I'd do it myself! Be honest... wouldn't YOU? Then again, there's also the question of "what constitutes torture?" I mean... is it really TORTURE to humiliate someone, or even just to deprive them of a good night's sleep (hell, if that's the definition, I need to find out the statute of limitations on my upstairs neighbors during college!) Is administering a truth-agent "torture" or is it something else? Was the episode of ENT where they fooled the Zindi guy that he had been imprisoned with Archer "torture?" If so... I'm 100% behind that form of "torture." You know what I think? This "Trekkies against Torture" people are children. They may be over the age of 40, but they're still, emotionally, CHILDREN. They probably also think that Bambi gave a realistic portrayal of wildlife... I'd gladly sign a "Trekkies in Favor of Torture When Necessary and Appropriate" petition.

January 7 2008, 11:34 PM	#12
Opus Fleet Captain Location: Bloom County	Re: Trekkies Against Torture-A Warning To J.J. Abrams Trekkies Against Torture to Abrams - "I AM A GROUP!" __________________ ----------------------- Opus - Well, I mean... It's a space walrus with photon flippers or something. Portnoy - Let's beam Mr. Spock into a wall.

January 7 2008, 11:36 PM	#13
number6 Vice Admiral Location: number6 has left the village through some inexpicable hole in the ground to head the corporation.	Re: Trekkies Against Torture-A Warning To J.J. Abrams I completely condone the torture of Trekkies.

January 8 2008, 12:49 AM	#14
Kegek Rear Admiral Location: Somewhere You're Not	Re: Trekkies Against Torture-A Warning To J.J. Abrams I will not see this movie unless it has scenes of torture shown against a Bach fugue in grainy black and white cinematography. Also it must be shot in Algiers. __________________ "Tell me this, do they have auditions for television?" "That's all television is, my dear - nothing but auditions." - All About Eve.