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Old December 27 2007, 06:19 PM   #31
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Re: What would have improved Voyager?

I really enjoyed Voyager but there are some things I would have done differently. First off, the Kazon would have been an afterthought after the premiere, well, maybe a few episodes in. Control of Voyager would have have gone back and forth between Federation and Maquis a couple of times. See some shifting loyalties depending on external circumstances with great threats like Year of Hell uniting the ship to get out of that. And not necessarily an enemy, but an anti-hero type of coalition similar to the Federation but just off enough to where Starfleet and the Maquis crews have a vastly different approach to dealing with them, but it would take Voyager a long time to get through the territory. These are just some ideas I had thought of, maybe not very good, but I thought they could have had some very interesting story lines.
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Old December 27 2007, 10:13 PM   #32
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Re: What would have improved Voyager?

kenobi just excellently plotted the series bible if it was a Klingon ship lost in the Delta Quadrant.

Jeri Taylor decided that Suder was unwriteable because he was not morally redeemable. I doubt she could have handled a full crew of scum and villianry?
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Old December 28 2007, 10:55 AM   #33
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Re: What would have improved Voyager?

What would have improved Voyager?
Two words...

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Old December 28 2007, 11:41 AM   #34
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Re: What would have improved Voyager?

Scroll up. I already almost said that exactly and they pooh poohed the notion completely.
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Old December 29 2007, 02:56 AM   #35
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Re: What would have improved Voyager?

SantaKirk said:
What would have improved Voyager?
Two words...

Captain Kirk
Yeah, but then they would have had to name the show Star Trek: Enterprise. We saw how well that went.
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Old December 29 2007, 03:46 AM   #36
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Re: What would have improved Voyager?

Who on Enterprise acted like Kirk except maybe Porthos?
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Old December 29 2007, 02:16 PM   #37
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Re: What would have improved Voyager?

Here are ten ideas that don't totally destroy the show as it was presented.

1. Make Janeway a true Ahab character, who's more in the background and whose decisions are very inscrutable to the crew.
2. Consequently, make Chakotay the shoulder that everyone leans on--- one thing that Beltran plays well.
3. Have a number of the crew abandon ship after "The 37s."
4. Introduce new crewmembers to replace those lost crewmen and busts like Neelix, Kes, and Torres.
5. Have Janeway found a new Federation in the Delta Quadrant... not to bring peace to the Kazons and Trabe, et al, but to surreptitiously extend Voyager's ability to search for ways home.
6. Make Harry Kim a human being.
7. Pit Tuvok and Chakotay against each other on a regular basis. Tuvok's mordant wit was underused on this show.
8. Make Tom Paris a true ne'er-do-well. His insubordination in season two should have been real, not feigned.
9. Have a story arc with Janeway's Devoran love interest. They had some chemistry and he should have been in at least 5 episodes.
10. Seska should have returned to Voyager as a vital member of the crew, AFTER betraying the ship. She was too good to kill off so easily, and the dumb production staff knew it.

And now a bonus suggestion...

11. Seven of Nine should have decided to return to the Collective late in the final season.
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Old December 30 2007, 09:37 AM   #38
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Re: What would have improved Voyager?

Two things. Either they should have fully embraced the concept of being stranded and having to survive (see Galactica), or come up with a different concept.
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Old December 30 2007, 07:30 PM   #39
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Re: What would have improved Voyager?

I don't see why it had to be like Galactica.

I mean, Farscape dealt with someone stranded far from home and it's not like Galactica.
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Old December 30 2007, 10:40 PM   #40
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Re: What would have improved Voyager?

Farscape dealt with a handful of people. We're talking about a crew of 150. I just felt their needs for water, food, sleep, you name it, was not addressed enough. I'm not saying it has to be all dark like Galactica.
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Old December 30 2007, 11:13 PM   #41
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Compare Seska an engineer who had been working around transporters and replicators all her life, given a few months head start to furrow away all the convenient technology she needed to be the messiah to the kazon pulling them up by their boot straps to a completely different weight class, but she "doesn't" and then now and then makes a grab at Voyager when dala was able acquire everything in 2 seconds using a core dump on her tricorder while the hedgehogs back was turned... TO Scorpius cutting Crichton's scull cap off, removing half his brain to get at a spidercancerlike robot drone that had been threading around in there acting as the home for a "Head Scorpius" who'd been tormenting John for 2 years in a battle of wit and distraction to yield the secret of wormhole weapons... And then like an Oded back ally hooker, John's left there to die while the credits roll for the end of season.

Even with muppets, Farscape was plenty dark.
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Old December 30 2007, 11:20 PM   #42
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Re: What would have improved Voyager?

The replicators solved their food/water needs, the ship had enough room for everyone, and they took the power they needed from stars they passed by.

Sure, we didn't see each and every moment but it's reasonable that's how it went. They weren't as ill-prepared as the Colonials were.
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Old December 31 2007, 12:45 AM   #43
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Re: What would have improved Voyager?

Untrue. The Galactica was super prepared.

Having to look after the civilian fleet ruined their estimates about what they needed?

Voyager wouldn't have lasted a week with another 47 thousand people acting out as dependents, however there were a couple episodes where Voyager had run down on a single vital element like in "Resistance".

Clinton was President, it was a happier time to be an American in America.
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Old December 31 2007, 07:41 AM   #44
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Re: What would have improved Voyager?

Guy Gardener said:
Clinton was President, it was a happier time to be an American in America.
That may best illustrate their differences, honestly.
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Old December 31 2007, 03:12 PM   #45
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Re: What would have improved Voyager?

Guy Gardener said:


Clinton was President, it was a happier time to be an American in America.
I agree.
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