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Old January 16 2008, 04:38 PM   #181
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Re: What would have improved Voyager?

If it wasn't on UPN, it wouldn't have the meddling that caused many of the show's problems. I'm not saying that channels don't meddle, but Sci-Fi seems content to let BSG get away with more intensive plot arcs, darker conflicts and far more risque material than VOY's writers had ever dreamed of doing.

I think that would have been a good tradeoff for a smaller budget.
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Old January 16 2008, 04:43 PM   #182
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Re: What would have improved Voyager?

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Voyager is the type of show you pop on if you don't want the heavy intellectual drama of TNG or the dark moody feel of DS9. It was made for a sci-fi crowd that liked Xena, which was all the rage at the time. Voyager was designed to capture a crowd that normally found Trek boring & humorless.

Is it so wrong to try and make Trek cool?
Star Trek that appeals to the Xena crowd, wasn't that Andromeda?

I take the original point though. TNG's first two seasons really do it no favours. Whilst there are some episodes of Voyager that I like though, there's nothing approaching the likes of The Offspring, Measure of a Man, The Inner Light etc. Voyager, to me, mostly seemed to be quite bland, occasionally raising itself above it's average, and occasionally dipping to trawl the depths.
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Old January 16 2008, 04:47 PM   #183
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Re: What would have improved Voyager?

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If it wasn't on UPN, it wouldn't have the meddling that caused many of the show's problems. I'm not saying that channels don't meddle, but Sci-Fi seems content to let BSG get away with more intensive plot arcs, darker conflicts and far more risque material than VOY's writers had ever dreamed of doing.

I think that would have been a good tradeoff for a smaller budget.
I'm not so sure.

Outside of NuBSG and maybe Eureka,the Sci-fi Channel isn't foreunner in original quality programming. Nearly everything they do is so cheap quality, badly produced bottom of the barrel B-Movie style sci-fi. Hell, we hardly even talk about anything the Sci-Fi channel does on this site. I think that's saying allot.
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Old January 16 2008, 04:48 PM   #184
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Re: What would have improved Voyager?

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This boils down to the talent behind the shows less than the shows themselves. They were quite content to let the people behind Farscape and Battlestar Galactica do their own variety of space opera; I wouldn't be surprised if they had the same leinency if they had Star Trek: Voyager - and the Voyager staff weren't half bad, especially compared to some of their other programming.

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It was made for a sci-fi crowd that liked Xena, which was all the rage at the time.
Star Trek that appeals to the Xena crowd, wasn't that Andromeda?
No. It's the Star Trek film coming out this fall, written by former Xena showrunners Kurtzmann and Orci.

And, actually, I don't think Voyager owed much to Xena (aside, perhaps, from the idea of a character like Seven of Nine). It was largely intended to be as TNG-like as possible, but with more action and, sadly, often less intelligence. Voyager actually did do its fair share of engaging, thoughtful episodes, just not as much as TNG or DS9.
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Old January 16 2008, 05:03 PM   #185
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Re: What would have improved Voyager?

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Voyager is the type of show you pop on if you don't want the heavy intellectual drama of TNG or the dark moody feel of DS9. It was made for a sci-fi crowd that liked Xena, which was all the rage at the time. Voyager was designed to capture a crowd that normally found Trek boring & humorless.

Is it so wrong to try and make Trek cool?
Star Trek that appeals to the Xena crowd, wasn't that Andromeda?

I take the original point though. TNG's first two seasons really do it no favours. Whilst there are some episodes of Voyager that I like though, there's nothing approaching the likes of The Offspring, Measure of a Man, The Inner Light etc. Voyager, to me, mostly seemed to be quite bland, occasionally raising itself above it's average, and occasionally dipping to trawl the depths.
I think "Latent Image" comes very close to "The Measure of Man".

Honestly, I can't ever remember now what "The Offspring" was about. Is that the one with Data's daughter?

In all fairness, how many spin off shows ever come close to be equal to the original? The Jefferson's, Maude & Good Times were all good but didn't compare to the following All In the Family had. Same goes with M*A*S*H* and Trapper John or the CSI's & Law & Orders.

After 7 years of TNG & DS9, the writers were just to burnt out.
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Old January 16 2008, 05:09 PM   #186
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Re: What would have improved Voyager?

^^ That's a fair point.

I can't think of many examples. I must say, of the Law & Orders, Criminal Intent is the only one I can watch.

The only other one I can think of is Boston Legal, which is a better show than it's predecessor The Practice.

There's also nuBSG of course

Edit: I forgot Frasier. Doh
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Old January 16 2008, 05:12 PM   #187
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This boils down to the talent behind the shows less than the shows themselves. They were quite content to let the people behind Farscape and Battlestar Galactica do their own variety of space opera; I wouldn't be surprised if they had the same leinency if they had Star Trek: Voyager - and the Voyager staff weren't half bad, especially compared to some of their other programming.


Well, just like the number of licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootie Pop, the world may never know.
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Old January 16 2008, 05:44 PM   #188
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Re: What would have improved Voyager?

TNG is a lot better than Voyager, the characterization alone is hundreds of times better
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Old January 16 2008, 05:55 PM   #189
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TNG is a lot better than Voyager, the characterization alone is hundreds of times better
Me personally, if they were real. I think I'd rather hang out with Tom & Harry than Data and Geordi. Plus I found more depth & culture in characters like Be'Lanna & Tuvok than in Troi or Crusher
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Old January 16 2008, 06:06 PM   #190
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Re: What would have improved Voyager?

Picard > Janeway
Riker > Chakotay
Worf > Tuvok
Geordi = Torres
Data > Paris
Troi < Neelix
Crusher < EMH

IMO.
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Old January 16 2008, 06:12 PM   #191
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Picard > Janeway
Riker > Chakotay
Worf > Tuvok
Geordi = Torres
Data > Paris
Troi < Neelix
Crusher < EMH

IMO.
I would think Data = Seven, more than Data being compared to Paris.
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Old January 16 2008, 06:17 PM   #192
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^^ I strongly suspected that I'd forgotten someone. How could I forget Seven?

In which case, yes, Data = Seven.

Bit stuck on the ol' Paris = Wesley one though.

Paris beats Seasons 1 & 2 Wesley hands down, but I preferred Seasons 3 & 4 Wesley to Paris.

have to be;

Wesley = Paris
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Old January 16 2008, 06:21 PM   #193
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I hated Westly in every season he was in.

God, if I could only reach thru the TV and give him a backhanded slap!

I frankly prefer wise-ass Paris over I wouldn't know a good time if it licked me Westly any damn day of the year.
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Old January 16 2008, 06:27 PM   #194
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Re: What would have improved Voyager?

I couldn't stand him in the first couple of seasons, but the character matured by the time the third year kicked off. It's a shame that they wrote him out when they did, the character was working pretty well at that point.

Of course there's also bad attitude/chip on his shoulder/fat bastard Wesley who appeared in season seven's Journey's End as well. Oh my
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Old January 16 2008, 06:41 PM   #195
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I couldn't stand him in the first couple of seasons, but the character matured by the time the third year kicked off. It's a shame that they wrote him out when they did, the character was working pretty well at that point.


I blame fan hate mail for that.

It's one of the shames of being a Trek fan IMO. Many times fans take stuff to personally, too the point where they even sent the actor himself threatening hate mail. He was just a kid, how bad does it look on us knowing that adult fans sent a child actor hate mail just because of the character he plays?

Many believe that Trek fans are intelligent and are of a better class of people, that just proves that we clearly aren't and we should be ashamed of what we put that young man thru.
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